Any stainless 45/410 3" chambered 6 or 7 shot rev
Has anyone made a stainless revolver with 6+ shots that shoots the .45lc and 3" chambered .410. I have looked at Taurus and it looks like they are either 3" and 5 shot, or 2.5" and 7 shot. I prefer stainless, but might consider blued if that is the only option...
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>>Has anyone made a stainless revolver with 6+ shots that shoots the .45lc and 3" chambered .410.
Smith's "Governor" version tales 2.5" .410 shells and holds 6 of them. Its also scandium/aluminum alloy frame, which isn't stainless, but should be relatively corrosion resistant compared to blued steel.
As to your question, I doubt anyone has made what you're looking for, but even if such a gun existed, I'd never buy one.
IMO, not only are these .410/.45LC guns a poor choice for defense, hunting, or target shooting, but to add insult to injury, Taurus' version has several design flaws also compromising reliability.
Why would you want an ungainly unreliable poor build quality .45LC/.410 revolver that patterns ineffective .410 shot badly, and fires its .45LC inaccurately, when you can get a beautiful accurate purpose built .45LC (or .44 magnum) revolver for the same money and just put .45 shotshells in there (ie for snakes)?
IMO these .410/.45LC guns are the "answer" to a question nobody asked, and instead of giving you the best of both worlds, they give you the worst.
You can read more of my ranting on this topic here:
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=534067
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=561767
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5605130 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
>>Has anyone made a stainless revolver with 6+ shots that shoots the .45lc and 3" chambered .410.
Smith's "Governor" version tales 2.5" .410 shells and holds 6 of them. Its also scandium/aluminum alloy frame, which isn't stainless, but should be relatively corrosion resistant compared to blued steel.
As to your question, I doubt anyone has made what you're looking for, but even if such a gun existed, I'd never buy one.
IMO, not only are these .410/.45LC guns a poor choice for defense, hunting, or target shooting, but to add insult to injury, Taurus' version has several design flaws also compromising reliability.
Why would you want an ungainly unreliable poor build quality .45LC/.410 revolver that patterns ineffective .410 shot badly, and fires its .45LC inaccurately, when you can get a beautiful accurate purpose built .45LC (or .44 magnum) revolver for the same money and just put .45 shotshells in there (ie for snakes)?
IMO these .410/.45LC guns are the "answer" to a question nobody asked, and instead of giving you the best of both worlds, they give you the worst.
You can read more of my ranting on this topic here:
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=534067
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=561767
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=560513
I have to admit, your responses to members questions are always accurate, concise and informative. I always learn something new when I read one of your responses! Thanks for sharing your knowledge here on the forums and sharing it in a non condecending manner![:)]0 -
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I totaly agree with BTS,the Judge and The Governor are a poor excuse for a defense revolver.
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quote:Originally posted by CS8161
I have to admit, your responses to members questions are always accurate, concise and informative. I always learn something new when I read one of your responses! Thanks for sharing your knowledge here on the forums and sharing it in a non condecending manner![:)]
I don't know about "always accurate" (I've definitely flubbed some questions in the past), but I try.
In this particular case, the only thing I can say is that "friends don't let friends" buy Taurus Judge revolvers. On paper the idea of a combination shotgun/revolver sounds great, but the problem is, in the real world, the execution is lousy.
Again, before even going to the merits of .410/.45LC combo handguns, Taurus's rendition here isn't good. The gun has three recognized design defects: two involving the ejector rod which can loosen and fall off under ordinary use, and one involving primers from shotshells backing loose under ordinary recoil, locking up the gun. Revolvers are supposed to be reliable, but either of these defects can inactivate the gun right when you need it most.
If you're in the market for one of these shotgun-revolvers, I think Smith's version is a better overall build. Plus at least Smiths' version will take .45ACP, which is a round you probably actually could find in stock at a sporting goods store (well. . .you could if the Obama gun panic hadn't cleaned them all out).
This is why, in my opinion, you should NOT be in the market for these guns:
The fact is, the .410 is a perfectly adequate round. . .for teaching small children how to handle shotguns, Its also OK for hunting small game like pigeons or squirrels at short ranges of maybe 10 yards or so. But for anything else its effectively worthless. The .410 isn't even powerful enough to reliably kill a duck. Now you take this fundamentally weak shotgun shell, and gimp it even more by firing it through a short barrelled handgun so it loses energy, and run it through rifling, so that the pattern is ruined too.
It just baffles me why anyone would think that a round barely powerful enough for an eight year old to hunt squirrels with is is a good platform for defense against an angry/intoxicated 200 lb man intending to do you harm.
In contrast, although a bit dated, the .45LC round itself is still perfectly viable for defense, ballistically similar to (if not better than) .45ACP or .44 special. But you can't buy it at Walmart, and lets be honest, its pretty much been supplanted by .357, .44 special/magnum, and .45ACP for defense nowadays. With a few exceptions of a small number of gun-nuts, the only ones using .45LC on any regular basis nowadays are the cowboy action type shooters. If you want to buy a "regular" .45LC double action revolver you're probably going to have a hard time even finding one for sale because irrespective of the merits of the round, nobody wants them. On top of that, the shallow rifling and long "freebore" of the Taurus robs the .45LC round of its accuracy. Its probably still "good enough" for defense, but a Taurus is just a bulky and ungainly gun to start with, and if you're picking a gun for defense, wouldn't you want one with fundamentally good performance in your chosen caliber?
Bottom line, as a shotgun the Judge is a "loser" and as a revolver its a "loser". Combine the two and you don't get a "winner".
If you want something that does the job of a shotgun, just buy a shotgun. If you want a double-action revolver, buy one of those. Trying to put the two things in one package ends up robbing each one of its best features, again giving you the "worst of both worlds"0 -
After doing some more research BTS, you aren't the only one who feels that way. For me, it was perhaps more as a fishing/snake gun but for the weight, I can just carry more ammo for my existing 10mm, 380, or 22lr whichever I am carrying.
Thanks for your insights![:)]0 -
Bambi, good excuse to buy yourself a .45 Colt revolver and use shot shells. But please, leave the snakes alone.[:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Bambi, good excuse to buy yourself a .45 Colt revolver and use shot shells. But please, leave the snakes alone.[:)]
+1.
quote:After doing some more research BTS, you aren't the only one who feels that way. For me, it was perhaps more as a fishing/snake gun but for the weight, I can just carry more ammo for my existing 10mm, 380, or 22lr whichever I am carrying.
In case I haven't made my point yet [;)] in my opinion the "Judge" is basically a piece of crap that's been made interesting with a slick ad campaign and marketed mostly to gullible individuals who get most of their info about firearms from watching action movies on cable TV. (OK, next time I'll tell you what I "really" think).
If you're willing to carry a big fat heavy revolver (and if you're considering a "Judge" then you have to be) then consider that a box of CCI .44 magnum/special shotshells costs $15. Put one in your favorite 44 revolver and you've got something that will not only do anything a "judge" can do (and probably better), but can also do a whole bunch of other things as well. Of course finding a stainless 6-shot .44 magnum is not hard, even one with a 2" bbl.
I don't think there are any commercial shotshell loads in 10mm, but if you like a more friendly carry package, you can also get pre-loaded shotshells in .38 special/.357 magnum, 9mm luger, .40 SW, .45ACP, and .45LC. If you reload, its also relatively easy to create your own that will work fine in any revolver platform you like.
You "can" get shotshells in .22lr, but from a handgun they're effectively worthless on anything bigger than a mouse at 3 yards, and I wouldn't bother. They're OK for popping balloons.0 -
I don't go out of my way to find them for sure but with 10 wooded acres and more copperheads in my rake than I care to admit.
You are right BTS, no shotshells for the 10mm. I just meant that I ain't too bad of a shot and I always have one of the 3 listed guns on me regardless of what I am doing outside the house.
I HAVE been wanting another Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag to replace the one I had to sell ~15 years ago. Maybe I'll consider that. I also did recently inherit a Taurus .38 Special revolver from my mom's late husband. He used it while he was on the PD. Maybe I'll consider shot shells for it. I worry more about ricochet for close shots. I have more than once stepped on a snake and it flailed around and was striking my boots, etc. Thankfully, most of the copperheads we have in our new place are real small ones, generally under a foot long.
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Bambi, good excuse to buy yourself a .45 Colt revolver and use shot shells. But please, leave the snakes alone.[:)]0
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