Ammo Recognition
Can anyone help me identify (if even possible) what make and year of manufacture these are?
The first two pictures are showing a round (not sure of the caliber...308 Win?...the smaller is the 5.56) that says WRA then either a 68 or 89 (I'm more inclined to say 68 as its beside the WRA) and then a little cross inside a circle. Has some red coloring in and around the primer.
The 3rd, 4th, and 5th picture are of an ammo can of 5.56 ammo. On the butt of the ammo reads LC 75 and also has red coloring in and around the primer. Does LC stand for Lake City?
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and have a great New Year!
The first two pictures are showing a round (not sure of the caliber...308 Win?...the smaller is the 5.56) that says WRA then either a 68 or 89 (I'm more inclined to say 68 as its beside the WRA) and then a little cross inside a circle. Has some red coloring in and around the primer.
The 3rd, 4th, and 5th picture are of an ammo can of 5.56 ammo. On the butt of the ammo reads LC 75 and also has red coloring in and around the primer. Does LC stand for Lake City?
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and have a great New Year!
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The red coloring is a sealant to waterproof the primers. It is required on all military loads. The cross in the circle is the NATO standard mark showing that the round is loaded to NATO standards for the caliber. The number would be 68 as the rim stamps should be read from the outside edge. LC is Lake City ammo plant WRA is Winchester Repeating Arms. The 7.62X51mm (308) round appears to be a standard ball load. 0 -
the ammo is winchester manufacturing 308. factory ammo. good stuff. . the lc is lake city, so very possable it is remanned ammo. still good ammo. 0 -
Just to keep things correct, it is 7.62MM NATO, not 308 and not 7.62x51.
The smaller cartridges are 5.56x45 MM.
burpfire - Why would you think it's "remanned" (remanufactured ?) ammo?0 -
possably reman because 90% of lake cities business was re-man. basically they would buy government surplus ammo, then take it apart, install new primers and re-sell it. not saying there is anything wrong with the ammo, as i have alot of lake city, just saying probably not new manufactured. 0 -
Lake City is the US Govt's ammunition plant, they DON"T re-mfg ammo. Who ever told this to the guy above is very miss informed. ATK the parent company of Federal is running the plant and they are allowed to sell certain lots of the small arms ammo to the public that don't meet military specification. IE the XM.223/7.62. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ammo guy
Lake City is the US Govt's ammunition plant,
I believe that is correct so it would be hard to believe remanufactured/remanned??.0 -
burpfire
At one time, Lake City sold ammunition that didn't meet certain specs to outfits such as Talon who broke it down and then re-manufactured it. That's probably the basis for the re-manufactured ammunition story. They no longer do that. Non spec and overruns are now sold using certain lot numbers and designations such as ammo guy said. XM, PD, SMQ are examples.
Also, if one part of a lot is rejected for some reason, the entire lot is rejected. So, a large part of the rejects could be perfectly good ammunition.
It's all perfectly safe ammunition, by the way. It's usually rejected by govt inspectors for things such as blemishes, dents, etc. Any ammunition that's unsafe is destroyed.
Here's a typical box of 7.62MM XM.
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Except for a short period at the end of WW II, Lake City has been in operation since September 1941. It has been designated as an Arsenal, Ordnance Plant, and Army Ammunition Plant. It is Government owned and contractor operated (GOCO). Operators have been Remington, Olin (Winchester), and ATK (Alliant Techsystems). 0 -
sorry, my mistake. i was thinking of talon! 0 -
I don't know if you're aware, but a potentially significant point is that your 5.56 is M193 type.
That's the 55 gr. load designed for use in M16A1 and prior models rather than the newer, current issue 62 gr. M855 USGI ammunition. M193 is perfectly safe and will function okay in any barrel, but if you're expecting good accuracy you need to take into account your barrel's twist rate.
If it's any consolation, M193 fired out of a 1/12 twist barrel is what gave the M16 it's reputation for wound capability out of proportion to it's caliber. This combination creates the infamous 'tumbling' M16 round you've probably heard spoken of.0
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