Gunsmithing help. Savage Model 87N
Just picked up a old Westernfield Model SB 808N, which my research indicates to be a Savage/Stevens model 87N. Previous owner indicates it fires, but has a feeding problem. I want to get the bolt out of the receiver to see how dirty etc it looks. I know the end cap on receiver unscrews. But my question is, how to disconnect the safety in order to unscrew it. Any help appreciated.
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Got these instructions off the net. These rifles are very fussy and a lot of people have had feeding/function problems with them, when they become worn. There is a lot of advice on how to work on them and make them reliable on the net.
"Field-strip for cleaning:
Remove the inner magazine tube and cycle the action several times.
Separate the barrelled action from the stock by unscrewing the large takedown screw on the bottom of the stock.
Unscrew the recoil plug from the rear of the rifle. Note this will be under considerable spring tension because the rifle is cocked. You can dry fire the rifle to relieve that tension, but dryfiring this rifle is not generally recommended.
Remove the hammer assembly from the rear of the rifle, the firing pin will come with it.
Slide the bolt to the rear until the operating handle lines up with a cutout in the receiver, then remove it to the right.
Slide the bolt to the rear and out of the gun. You may think it is stuck, but push a little bit. You are pressing down a plunger against a spring as the bolt moves rearward."0 -
THanks. But the safety button is located on top of the recoil plug which unscrews. And is connected on the under side to the trigger mech. My question is how to disconnect the safety in order to unscrew the recoil plug. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
THanks. But the safety button is located on top of the recoil plug which unscrews. And is connected on the under side to the trigger mech. My question is how to disconnect the safety in order to unscrew the recoil plug.
If you are lost at this point, maybe you should not work on the gun.
I believe you remove the little "C" clip that holds the safety on. Don't have one in front of me so can not say for sure. Should not be hard to figure out if you like puzzles.0 -
quote:Originally posted by goodgunparts
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
THanks. But the safety button is located on top of the recoil plug which unscrews. And is connected on the under side to the trigger mech. My question is how to disconnect the safety in order to unscrew the recoil plug.
If you are lost at this point, maybe you should not work on the gun.
I believe you remove the little "C" clip that holds the safety on. Don't have one in front of me so can not say for sure. Should not be hard to figure out if you like puzzles.
That's what it looks like to me as well. I just like to get as much info as I can before I wade in. It never hurts to ask. At least that's what I thought. [:D]0 -
Those guns are not hard to work on. Biggest problem is they were made by Savage/Stevens. I have no idea why they felt the need to keep the engineers busy redesigning all the time. There must be 20 different versions of that gun. I can see the firing pin upgrade, just not changing screws and pins all the time. Least they changed the firing pin so it will work in the old style guns.
The reason for my comment, is we get all kinds of people asking questions. From the person that does not know how to add gas to a car to the person that could make a car out of spare parts. Someplace in the middle is the person that will bring in a 'bag gun' to be worked on. If you have never heard of a 'bag gun', it is one they took apart and could not figure out how to put back together again.
Got to agree on the possible fix. Two posts in the trigger group. One is the sear and one is the bolt hold open. It has to do both or the sear will not catch.0 -
quote:Originally posted by goodgunparts
Those guns are not hard to work on. Biggest problem is they were made by Savage/Stevens. I have no idea why they felt the need to keep the engineers busy redesigning all the time. There must be 20 different versions of that gun. I can see the firing pin upgrade, just not changing screws and pins all the time. Least they changed the firing pin so it will work in the old style guns.
The reason for my comment, is we get all kinds of people asking questions. From the person that does not know how to add gas to a car to the person that could make a car out of spare parts. Someplace in the middle is the person that will bring in a 'bag gun' to be worked on. If you have never heard of a 'bag gun', it is one they took apart and could not figure out how to put back together again.
LOL, I've certain been guilty of that. At least once that I can recall. That's why I ask questions first. Anyhow, I got it apart, cleaned it, put back together. As far as I can tell, all parts accounted for and appear in good shape. But still has problem. It will fire & eject the 1st round. And load the 2nd. But does not re-cock. Bolt evidently not traveling far enough to the rear. I wonder if an ammo problem (I test fired w/bulk Federal), or something else. Anyone have any suggestions.0 -
It is the front bolt detent not holding the bolt open when the trigger is pulled when fired. These rifles experiencing this problem are common. The detent is worn or needs to be allowed some more upward movement. Try holding the trigger to the rear after firing the rifle. The bolt should remain to the rear/open until you let the trigger go forward. 0 -
I'm working from memory, but I think you should try unscrewing the end cap a turn or so at a time to allow the bolt to fully cycle. 0
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