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  • dcs shooters
    Colt licenced Umarex to make a 22LR copy of the M4 carbine. All the 22LR copies of 223,s go for a lot less.
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  • satman858
    Have you or anyone else bought one of these type of rifles to know how well they shoot, for the money they are charging for them?

    At the cost AR-15 manufacturer made rifles are going for now, it might not be a bad option if they work good.
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    Have you or anyone else bought one of these type of rifles to know how well they shoot, for the money they are charging for them?

    At the cost AR-15 manufacturer made rifles are going for now, it might not be a bad option if they work good.


    We have had many prior posts over the last couple of years regarding these paramilitary .22's. They are quite popular and it seems everybody and their brother are knocking them out. Some our more highly though of and have better reputations then others. If you do a search on our site you will find many threads concerning them.
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  • beantownshootah
    Its getting a big off topic but in my opinion, most adult shooters would be better off buying a "real" AR-15 then putting a dedicated .22 upper conversion on it, then buying one of these "lookalike" guns. (Or if they already have an AR-15 just buying a conversion upper).

    Most of the "lookalikes" are OK but in many instances there isn't parts commonality with regular AR-15s, and the controls may not even be the same. For example both Ruger and Mossberg's versions of this use their ordinary .22 auto gun actions put inside an AR15-like shell.

    Those guns look OK, and they function fine, but if the point of the exercise is to have a realistic simulation of an AR-15, basing your simulator on an actual AR-15 receiver group with real grip, weight, trigger, stock, is probably about as accurate as you're going to get. Overall weight, balance, trigger feel, ability to accessorize with real AR-15 parts, etc, can all be variable with the "replica" guns.

    Plus, of course, with a real lower, you may also have the "real" AR-15 too, should you decide that its no longer "practice" time.
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  • cpermd
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    Can anyone tell me why this AR-15 gun linked below is selling for so much less than many other AR-15 over at the Gunbroker auction site?

    Is this a factory Colt or did someone put this gun together using a Colt parts?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322900491


    Do you actually have an AR?
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  • dfletcher
    I agree with the "use a real AR lower" approach. The specifically manufactured rimfire rifles are OK, but they do not have the same feel. Some use a poly lower or upper and that just doesn't feel right. I use a "for real" AR 15 lower and a dedicated upper. The rimfire upper wasn't exactly like a centerfire upper but a few tweaks (ejection cover, fake tube & pin, bolt forward assist added) fixed that and it's now the 100% the same as a centerfire.
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  • satman858
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    Can anyone tell me why this AR-15 gun linked below is selling for so much less than many other AR-15 over at the Gunbroker auction site?

    Is this a factory Colt or did someone put this gun together using a Colt parts?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322900491


    Do you actually have an AR?


    No I only have pistols. I do not have any rifles.

    Since AR-15 are so hard to get now, and the ones that are being sold are much higher than even retail, aren't there other types of rifles that or like California approved 10 mags that will also take 30 mags too?
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  • tsr1965
    ATI, markets a AR-15/22LR, that is built on a REAL AR-15 reciever. The upper is a dedicated upper, but you can switch out the lower to anything. The S&W, you cannot do this, Thee lower is all milded plastic, and the stock is an integral SOLID part of the rifle's lower reciever.

    Best
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    Can anyone tell me why this AR-15 gun linked below is selling for so much less than many other AR-15 over at the Gunbroker auction site?

    Is this a factory Colt or did someone put this gun together using a Colt parts?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322900491


    Do you actually have an AR?


    No I only have pistols. I do not have any rifles.

    Since AR-15 are so hard to get now, and the ones that are being sold are much higher than even retail, aren't there other types of rifles that or like California approved 10 mags that will also take 30 mags too?


    Perhaps I'm not understanding the post, but ARs don't seem tough to find. I bought 3 AR 15 lower receivers today and an AR 10, all at regular prices. I'll build them later. "CA OK" AR receivers and CA OK fully assembled ARs will accept 10, 15, 30 or BetaMags same as any other AR 15. It's just that you're (generally speaking) not supposed to do that in CA, the recivers are otherwise the same in or out of CA.

    For semi-auto rifles that will accept AR 15 magazines there is the Robinson 96, the Benelli MR2 and the Volquartsen Evolution target rifle. The Benelli and the Volquartsen have a "conventional" stock and as issued don't trigger any CA AW laws. The Robinson 96 does have a PG. These are each well made and reliable rifles. I have a 36X scope on my Volquartsen and it's accurate as heck. The Benelli and Robinson are extremely reliable. The Robinson has a folding stock and a 1 to 4X CMore scope on its rail. A mix of FAL and Stoner 63 it's one of my favorite all around rifles.
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  • satman858
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    Can anyone tell me why this AR-15 gun linked below is selling for so much less than many other AR-15 over at the Gunbroker auction site?

    Is this a factory Colt or did someone put this gun together using a Colt parts?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322900491


    Do you actually have an AR?


    No I only have pistols. I do not have any rifles.

    Since AR-15 are so hard to get now, and the ones that are being sold are much higher than even retail, aren't there other types of rifles that or like California approved 10 mags that will also take 30 mags too?


    Perhaps I'm not understanding the post, but ARs don't seem tough to find. I bought 3 AR 15 lower receivers today and an AR 10, all at regular prices. I'll build them later. "CA OK" AR receivers and CA OK fully assembled ARs will accept 10, 15, 30 or BetaMags same as any other AR 15. It's just that you're (generally speaking) not supposed to do that in CA, the recivers are otherwise the same in or out of CA.

    For semi-auto rifles that will accept AR 15 magazines there is the Robinson 96, the Benelli MR2 and the Volquartsen Evolution target rifle. The Benelli and the Volquartsen have a "conventional" stock and as issued don't trigger any CA AW laws. The Robinson 96 does have a PG. These are each well made and reliable rifles. I have a 36X scope on my Volquartsen and it's accurate as heck. The Benelli and Robinson are extremely reliable. The Robinson has a folding stock and a 1 to 4X CMore scope on its rail. A mix of FAL and Stoner 63 it's one of my favorite all around rifles.


    I will tell you what I mean. The Bushmaster gun I have listed in my thread title had 3 of them sold in the Gunbroker auction site between $1,000 - 1,150 on Tuesday. Now some people are getting $1,600 or more for the same gun. I am not spending $500 then I would have spent 3 days ago.
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  • beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by satman858
    I will tell you what I mean. The Bushmaster gun I have listed in my thread title had 3 of them sold in the Gunbroker auction site between $1,000 - 1,150 on Tuesday. Now some people are getting $1,600 or more for the same gun. I am not spending $500 then I would have spent 3 days ago.

    People are freaking out now, because of the recent mass shooting, and fear that the Obama administration is going to enact another "assault rifle" ban.

    Its a classic bubble.

    In my opinion, 12 months from now ARs are going to be as available as they were 12 months ago, and anyone who paid $1500 for an $800 gun is going to be feeling a bit foolish.
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