Trying to ID Old Rifle
I'm having no luck with the images, so I posted the URL. I hope that's OK. I don't think I've used your site before. I was contacted by someone trying to ID an old rifle. It is unlike anything I've seen and has me stumped. It is 40 inches long. It has an octagonal barrel. It has the oddest looking breechloading mechanism I've ever seen. I'm mainly a milsurp guy, but I was hoping to come up with an answer for him anyway. Perhaps someone in this forum will recognize this piece. The owner says it was Grandpa's wallhanger, and that's all he knows about it. There is damage to the stock. His pictures aren't the greatest. He lives far enough away I haven't gone to take more. He's been good about responding to questions. What do you think?
http://s396.beta.photobucket.com/user/fatchance2005/media/Enfield%20Butt%20Stock/RIFLE/gun1e.jpg.html#/user/fatchance2005/media/Enfield%20Butt%20Stock/RIFLE/gun1e.jpg.html?&_suid=135458402964005241528429487989
http://s396.beta.photobucket.com/user/fatchance2005/media/Enfield%20Butt%20Stock/RIFLE/gun1e.jpg.html#/user/fatchance2005/media/Enfield%20Butt%20Stock/RIFLE/gun1e.jpg.html?&_suid=135458402964005241528429487989
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Image is not showing. Try this: http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294 0 -
Thanks. That's what I was trying. There may be something wrong with the way I've got them on photobucket. I just put the URL. 0 -
looks flobert type to me.
http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/3047400 -
that rifle is called a Flobert 0 -
Thanks! Looks right to me! 0 -
The locking mechanism of your rifle, is known to collectors as the "Warnant". It was used in the later manufactured Flobert guns. The first Flobert's just used the weight of dropping hammer, to hold the breech plate closed. 0 -
In 1901 Sears & Roebuck said "We do not recommend or guarantee Flobert rifles. Buy a good rifle, it will pay in the end."
But they would still sell you a plain Flobert for $1.60 and a Warnant System Flobert for $2.60.
The Stevens Crack Shot was only $2.95 and the Remington No 6 $3.75.
A Stevens Favorite or a Remington No 4 was $5, which was a lot to spend on a kid.0 -
Well that's good to know. There are no markings visible, at least not assembled. 0 -
Would STRONGLY suggest you do NOT fire modern .22 ammo in that. While the Warnant system IS stronger than the original Flobert, these were basically made for CB cap energy levels- primer only, no powder.
These were made in several calibers- all with primer only. Henri Peiper of Belgium made a number of them- distinctive shape of trigger guard is usually a clue. Think of them as an adult pellet gun.0 -
Not going to fire the gun, thanks. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
The first Flobert's just used the weight of dropping hammer, to hold the breech plate closed.
The original Flobert's had no breech plate:
http://www.littlegun.info/arme francaise/artisans e f g h i j/a flobert gb.htm0
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