Best 1860 colt army replica
Who makes the replica for the money? I am looking for a shooter.
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"If you haven't fired a dragoon before, I would load a blank of about 30 grains and work up from there. It will let your body get accustomed to the shock of the recoil."
Just to prove that "Steg" has no idea what he is talking about, here he suggests that you use a "blank" round to get "accustomed" to the "shock" and "recoil". But anyone that has ever shot a "blank" in any weapon knows that a "blank" has NO shock or recoil!0 -
quote:Originally posted by odentheviking
"If you haven't fired a dragoon before, I would load a blank of about 30 grains and work up from there. It will let your body get accustomed to the shock of the recoil."
Just to prove that "Steg" has no idea what he is talking about, here he suggests that you use a "blank" round to get "accustomed" to the "shock" and "recoil". But anyone that has ever shot a "blank" in any weapon knows that a "blank" has NO shock or recoil!
OK you win! I'm outta her, because I am sick and tired of your insults! I have been shooting cap and ball revolvers regularly for more than 50 years. You are just one of those people who has to have the last word!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by steg
quote:Originally posted by odentheviking
"If you haven't fired a dragoon before, I would load a blank of about 30 grains and work up from there. It will let your body get accustomed to the shock of the recoil."
Just to prove that "Steg" has no idea what he is talking about, here he suggests that you use a "blank" round to get "accustomed" to the "shock" and "recoil". But anyone that has ever shot a "blank" in any weapon knows that a "blank" has NO shock or recoil!
OK you win! I'm outta her, because I am sick and tired of your insults! I have been shooting cap and ball revolvers regularly for more than 50 years. You are just one of those people who has to have the last word!!!!
You know what Steg? You posted the same thing back on 11/26/2012 on this very thread! And I let that go until you gave some more crazy advice about putting "corn meal" in with Black Powder! But yet you piped in another 3 or 4 times and I say that this "Folkker Triplane" guy is you also as a "Troll". There is a real good chance that you are a really nice guy and a lot of fun to hang around with...... but you clearly are not a safe handgunner when it comes to BP weapons. Unless you have firearms training other than the "stuff" you have done or would suggest that others do..... you should not give that advice. There are a lot of first time BP shooters here and the last thing they need is bad advice...... not to mention dangerous advice.
Now lets go back to the original point of this post. The guy asked what is the best Mdl 1860 Army repro, for shooting, at the best price. Clearly the Colt Signature Seriers at what about $600 is not the answer this guy was looking for. The Colt You suggested is a collector piece and not a shooter. I know what..... I feel like I am talking to a rock right now, so lets just call it done for now.
Until Steg or some other stonehead tells someone to do something stupid or dangerous..... and one of us has to jump in and yell "STOP"!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by odentheviking I have never heard of placing "corn meal" in with the BP of any weapon! That is just nuts and you are gonna get someone hurt bad!
Oden. There is so much misinformation in your posts (mixed in with a little bit of truth), I don't know exactly where to begin. But I'll start with the cornmeal filler since it's so easy to prove you wrong.
Cornmeal has looooong been used as filler for shooters who use a less than maximum load and need to fill up the air space between the powder and the bullet. Since you are reluctant to believe authoritative information, I have included a photo from page 69 of the Lyman Black Powder Handbook, 1975 Edition, noting the use of cornmeal filler.
So, 1 point for Steg, and 0 for you [:)]
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Good morning Johnny! How nice of you to join us.
Let me make something very clear here..... I never wanted this to turn into a contest, I just don't want to see anybody hurt. Also, I don't want a"New BP Shooter" to be turned off from BP due to gross misinformation to a direct question. The direct question was : What is the best 1860 Army for the money..... for a shooter? Clearly the very expensive and collectable Colt Sig Ser. is not the right one to suggest. Now lets talk about "Cornmeal"!
Johnny has given us one paragraph from the LBPML guide that was written almost 40 years ago! that is talking about filling the air gap when using BP cartridges, with a very brief note about doing this w/a muzzle loader to improve accuracy on the range,(loading one round at a time. Johnny I am sure you will agree that this is NOT good advice for a beginner shooter. This was fair advice ,at best, 40 years ago but only when using BP. This can hurt someone when using modern BP substitutes that many "Modern" shooters have today as real BP is getting harder and harder to find. Techniques like this should only be offered in person buy folks that have tried it before and found it safe..... AND for the purpose of accuracy for target shooting , NOT to reduce recoil/shock,(whatever "shock" is???). Modern BP substitutes and fillers for BP cartridges have made vast improvements over the last 40 years and the K.I.S.S. system should be advised for first time shooters!
Johnny if you know anything about BP revolvers you should know this is very dangerous! On 11/03/2012, Steg wrote this: "Sometimes, an inexperienced cap and ball shooter will load his revolver without first capping the cylinders in the mistaken guise of a safety factor. This can allow minute amounts of powder to leak out of the cylinder through the nipples when the ball is rammed home. Then when the cap goes off, this ignites and can cause a chain fire.
If one has concerns about caps going off prematurely during loading, why not cap the nipples with spent caps before loading. Then, after loading with powder, wonder wads and ball, replace the spent caps with live ones. Then, one doesn't have to worry about loading a live capped cylinder.
steg"
This information could not be more WRONG or more DANGEROUS!!!!!!
To Steg, I am so very sorry if I have caused you any pain or embarrassment in these posts, but please don't give advice to new shooters when you don't know what you are talking about. If you want to use 50 year old tech to shoot your BP then fine..... just get far away from other folks on the range. But please do not give out 40-50 year old advice to folks that may be taking their family and friends to the range.0 -
To all concerned: I am not going to indulge in a "Mine is bigger than your" contest on this or any other site.
In the loading proceedures I outlined, I know that what I was saying is not according to modern practice. I was just following the original loading instructions "of the period". This can be found in the literature about "period colts".
If capping a cylinder first is so dangerous, then how come when reloading cartridges with either black or smokeless powder the primers are loaded into the cartridge cases first, before the powder?
As for chain fires, many of these happenings were caused by loose powder in the area around the nipples and/or in the frame of the revolver due to careless loading.
I bought my first Colt percussion revolver from Bannerman's in New York in 1957, and have been a regular shooter ever since. Old man Bannerman (the son) gave me my first instruction as to how to load the Colt. Since that time, I have never had a hang fire or mis-fire or have injured any living creature due to a gun accident. I rather think I have a bit of experience.
So, mr Odin the viking, I leave you being the great percussion loading guru you wish to be, as I am sure you will have a caustic last word here.0 -
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You know what Swopjan....... that is what it feels like right now! 0 -
For my money you can't beat a 1960's vintage Centaur made in Belgium. Many of the parts are interchangeable with the Gen 1 Colts and better steel. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by inkn221
For my money you can't beat a 1960's vintage Centaur made in Belgium. Many of the parts are interchangeable with the Gen 1 Colts and better steel.
With all due respect for the Centaur's, which are very well made, All of the parts of 2nd and 3rd generation Colts, except those internal parts which require hand fitting, are interchangable with their original counterparts. This is not so for many of the Italian replicas.0 -
years ago I was into BP and I had an 1860 colt clone and a third model dragoon. I used 50 gr.s of BP in the Dragoon and about 35-40 grs in the 1860. that dragoon wasn't accurate and neither was the 1860. but the recoil wasn't that bad! the Dragoon weights about 4+ lbs and yes, there was a lot of smoke and flash, but the recooil wasn't as bad as a Smith and wesson I had in .45 LC. the 1860 wasn't accurate either.
today, I have a 1860 uberti in .44 special and it's accurate. I also have most of the cowboy guns(pistols) in most of the calibers. I have yet to find a Ruger that shoots to point of aim yet!(out of 7 pistols) but all my ubertis's shoot to point of aim. I found a beretta stampede with a blowned up barrel.(it was in .45 LC) I changed out the barrel and cylinder to .44-40 and it still shoots to point of aim. I tried SA colts 30 years ago, and was very unhappy with them. but I"m very happy with my SA ubertis, I have the 73's in .45, 44-40, 38-40, and 32-20. all are nice accurate shooters. the 1860 in .44 special is breaking in to have a nice trigger. I like the uberti's and my collection of "N" frame smiths, and I even have an"N" frame in .44-40
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To read the writtings of both of the gentlemen ( Mr. Steg and Mr. Oden} you both are knowlege able; but heck stand down. I go by the name of Fokker Triplane because I built one and flew it for many years. i'm not Mr. Steg writting under the Triplane name. I also am a BP shooter for many years. I own a host of famous BP rifles, handguns and a set of very fine duelling pistrols. With this Parkinson(s) my butt is getting kicked. But each day it's a little harder. Now with that said and (who really cares) I still like to fire my Ubertis"s over the newly purchased Colts Army and 2nd & 3nd. Dragoons. They are all very fine handguns: all made well very accurate . To me the Colts are collector items where as the Ubertis's are shooters. Extremly good (great) shooters. My loads are for all my .44cal handguns are: 25grs. BP felt pad (wad) topped with .454 rd ball: either self cast or Hornaday. Over the ball will be the grease of the day ie: cisco, bore butter or even wheel bearing grease. This is to stop chain-firing. I always place my cup over the nipple last. Even with Parkinson(s) these handguns are deadly at 25yds. To end now, one can and does learn from sites like this. Even from Steg and Oden; every one brings something to the table of knowlege. Take care everybody Mike aka Fokker Triplane.[8D][:)] 0
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