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Shipping Ruger old army to Ny state

beltfed
Can i legally ship a Ruger old army ( BLACKPOWDER) TO NY state? Every thing i am reading sounds like it has to go thru a FFL. Thank you.
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  • tsr1965
    Because, in NY it is considered a firing handgun, that must be permitted on a New York State handgun carry permit, I would send it thru a dealer. But not just an FFL dealer. To deal handguns in NY, one must have an FFL, and a New York State dealer's license.

    I know there are other provisions for antiques and their replica's, but, this is not listed as a replica(it is their own model, though it closely resembles a Remington 1858), and does not qualify for antique status.

    That one simple step, could save one a lot of red tape and hassle.

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  • competentone
    quote:Originally posted by beltfed
    Can i legally ship a Ruger old army ( BLACKPOWDER) TO NY state? Every thing i am reading sounds like it has to go thru a FFL. Thank you.


    Black Powder firearms cannot be shipped to AZ; CA; CO; DE; HI; Chicago, IL; NJ, New York City; Las Vegas, NV; RI, TN, UT; D.C.; MA; Canada; or Puerto Rico. I cannot ship this pistol directly to you if you live in any of these locations but can ship to a receiving FFL if he can transfer it to you legally. No international shipping.

    That's the statement I include in my auctions for Ruger Old Army revolvers -- like this one:
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315246976

    It's what I've found are the guidelines from my research. It matches what other (big) retailers of black powder firearms have as their shipping guidelines -- though some of them won't offer to ship through an FFL.

    So long as it's not going to New York City, you should be fine shipping it directly to an individual in New York state.

    I ship USPS with adult signature required to verify I'm shipping it to an adult. (It will fit in the "flatter style" Medium Flat Rate Priority box if it's without a box. I will fit in the flatter-style "game" Large Flat Rate box if it has Ruger's box.)

    Some states have restrictions preventing those with a criminal record from owning "antique" firearms. I include the statement in my auction, "In placing a bid you are affirming that you are over 18 years old and there are no restrictions on your ability to receive or own this item." You may want to have the person buying it give you some statement that he is not restricted from owning it if you have any concerns there.

    Edit:Ignore all that; it seems there are new regulations (put in place this year -- though not updated on the Post Office's website) that prohibit an individual mailing a black powder handgun.

    Shipping, by private carrier would still appear to be legal. If there are any changes in New York State law that affect this, I would appreciate someone posting links/information about it.
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  • competentone
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965

    I know there are other provisions for antiques and their replica's, but, this is not listed as a replica(it is their own model, though it closely resembles a Remington 1858), and does not qualify for antique status.



    ATF rules categorize it as a "replica"; it qualifies for "antique" status under Federal law. The U.S. Post Office accepts that definition too. From my research (see above) it is mailable -- and should be mailable directly to an individual in New York state, but not New York City.

    If you know New York state laws that indicates otherwise, please feel free to post a link to them and correct me if I'm wrong.

    Edit: Ignore all that; it seems there are new regulations (put in place this year -- though not updated on the Post Office's website) that prohibit an individual mailing a black powder handgun.

    Shipping, by private carrier would still appear to be legal. If there are any changes in New York State law that affect this, I would appreciate someone posting links/information about it.
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by competentone
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965

    I know there are other provisions for antiques and their replica's, but, this is not listed as a replica(it is their own model, though it closely resembles a Remington 1858), and does not qualify for antique status.



    ATF rules categorize it as a "replica"; it qualifies for "antique" status under Federal law. The U.S. Post Office accepts that definition too. From my research (see above) it is mailable -- and should be mailable directly to an individual in New York state, but not New York City.

    If you know New York state laws that indicates otherwise, please feel free to post a link to them and correct me if I'm wrong.


    Yes, I know New York State laws, and have dealt firearms in NY State for over 20 years. ANY pistol that can be fired, and has the caps, powder, and projectile in proximity, MUST be registered on the New York State pistol permit. Handguns as such, coming from outside NYS, must go from dealer, to dealer. I did not leave anything out in my first post.

    How can it qualify for antique status, when it was not made before 1899? Antique replica?

    I am not saying it is totally illegal, but if the recipient of the handgun from out of state goes to register it on his permit, and states he got it from out of state, it can raise a lot of flags. Sometimes it is best not to raise those flags, especially for a low nominal fee of $25.00-50.00.

    I do infact know that ANY, firing cartridge handgun has to come in to a NYS dealer, via, FFL. I would treat this the same way, as it does have to be permitted here in NY state to legally be fired.

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  • competentone
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965


    Yes, I know New York State laws, and have dealt firearms in NY State for over 20 years. ANY pistol that can be fired, and has the caps, powder, and projectile in proximity, MUST be registered on the New York State pistol permit. Handguns as such, coming from outside NYS, must go from dealer, to dealer. I did not leave anything out in my first post.

    How can it qualify for antique status, when it was not made before 1899? Antique replica?

    I am not saying it is totally illegal, but if the recipient of the handgun from out of state goes to register it on his permit, and states he got it from out of state, it can raise a lot of flags. Sometimes it is best not to raise those flags, especially for a low nominal fee of $25.00-50.00.

    I do infact know that ANY, firing cartridge handgun has to come in to a NYS dealer, via, FFL. I would treat this the same way, as it does have to be permitted here in NY state to legally be fired.




    You can opine on the topic all day long. Show me links -- to the law directly, or where "big stores" show that they won't ship to New York state -- to support your opinion.
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by competentone
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965


    Yes, I know New York State laws, and have dealt firearms in NY State for over 20 years. ANY pistol that can be fired, and has the caps, powder, and projectile in proximity, MUST be registered on the New York State pistol permit. Handguns as such, coming from outside NYS, must go from dealer, to dealer. I did not leave anything out in my first post.

    How can it qualify for antique status, when it was not made before 1899? Antique replica?

    I am not saying it is totally illegal, but if the recipient of the handgun from out of state goes to register it on his permit, and states he got it from out of state, it can raise a lot of flags. Sometimes it is best not to raise those flags, especially for a low nominal fee of $25.00-50.00.

    I do infact know that ANY, firing cartridge handgun has to come in to a NYS dealer, via, FFL. I would treat this the same way, as it does have to be permitted here in NY state to legally be fired.




    You can opine on the topic all day long. Show me links -- to the law directly, or where "big stores" show that they won't ship to New York state -- to support your opinion.




    OK...what part of that don't you understand. It is legal to ship to an individual. It can raise a lot of red flags, and cause a lot of questions as to where this thing came from, when the buyer goes to get a permit. A lot of the county clerks, and sheriff's office records office people, have no idea of the laws, they just know they need to know where it came from, and real pistols have to be shipped to an FFL, from another state. They don't understand that a cap and ball revolver, or muzzle loading pistol, or antique can be purchased with out a dealer involved. However, as I have stated, and am posative of, that any handgun that will be shot, MUST be permitted. I HAVE BEEN ON THE RECIEVING END OF THIS. It is not a pleasant deal. Until you have been up here, and have had to deal with this kind of BS, then STFU, or does that need to be explained to you too?

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    quote:You've explained yourself perfectly. (I see the sort of jerk you are.) Your comments about what the buyer has to do has no bearing on Beltfed's question.


    Yes, I can be a jerk, thank you. However, I am a Jerk, that has lived, and dealt with New York's firearm laws for 47 years. I have been on the short end of their stick, where a lot of explaination is required to inform/eduate those who are enforcing only the laws they want to. Not only did I have lots of questions to answer, but so did the sending party in another state(yes it does have to do with beltfeds question). The firearm in question was a highly collectable, in great condition, 1887 made, Colt blackpowder frame SAA. Antique...yes,can be sent to anyone, right? WRONG, in NY. That was before I had my FFL in 1986. The New York State Police, FBI, BATFE, and US Marshall's can be pretty pronounced on a 21 year old...left some impressions, of it is better to ask first, than ask for forgiveness.


    You live in a pretty nice state as far as firearms laws go. I am glad for you, and wouldn't wish the laws here upon you. But, just because the law says, doesn't mean the LEO with a point to prove can't make a lot of waves in the sink.

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  • competentone
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    ...then STFU, or does that need to be explained to you too?



    You've explained yourself perfectly. (I see the sort of jerk you are.) Your comments about what the buyer has to do has no bearing on Beltfed's question.

    Edit: It seems there are new regulations (put in place this year -- though not updated on the Post Office's website) that prohibit an individual mailing a black powder handgun. Shipping, by private carrier would still appear to be legal. Again, if there are any changes in New York State law that affect this, I would appreciate someone posting links/information about it.
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  • Stack
    Not withstanding New York City and age requirement, any cap and ball handgun, antique or replica, can be bought, possessed or sold in New York State without any registration. Catalog purchases of antique or replica cap and ball handguns from out of state catalogs doesn't require shipment to an FFL license. It can be shipped directly to the purchaser. If the intent is to shoot the handgun, it has to be put on a pistol permit prior to purchasing the caps, balls, and powder, because it would then be an unregistered pistol even if unloaded, but with the means to load it at hand.
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