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brunette63
Stopped by the pawn shop yestrday and found this gun I liked , Tula round receiver,
1943 silver barrel bands, had mixed match serials on bolt and receiver, straight bolt, dcleaning rod is right under for grip, the stock had the indented strap holder and the front had the hole through grip, receiver didn't have century international arms stamp but the stock had the square with cross through it, non laminated stock that was well used. Asked 200, any ideas on if its a good deal, barrel was not counter bored and it looked good. Any help is appreciated
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    it 'sounds like' a realy nice $75 rifle
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  • beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    it 'sounds like' a realy nice $75 rifle


    Agree.

    I'd bump it all the way up to $100, if both the bore and trigger are excellent; those things would greatly improve the "shootability".

    Many/most of these old Mosin Nagants have corroded bores. Triggers can vary from lousy to quite good.

    With mismatched number, and appreciable wear, no way is this thing worth more than $100 out the door, though.

    Edit:
    quote:Originally posted by brunette63
    i was more worried about the bolt not matching because of the spacing issue, it seemed a little much but is it a 91/30 from the sounds off it?

    I don't know for sure, but I'd assume the guns are headspaced in the factory when they're "re-arsenalled" (ie refinshed and rebuilt) for commercial export. Since the vast majority of these sales are in the USA (which is highly litigious) and since the importer would be liable if these guns blow up, and since I've never heard of that happening ever, I add these things together and figure that even guns with mismatched bolts have been properly headspaced at the factory assembling them, and they should be safe to shoot.

    I know as a fact that there are plenty of mismatched serial number guns out there that shoot perfectly fine.

    As to type of gun, that's easy.

    If its a WWII era gun with a long barrel its a 91/30. Most of the guns out there are 91/30s, and sight unseen, my guess is that's what this one in the store is.

    If its a WWII-era gun with a short barrel and no bayonet its an M38. If its a late to post WWII era gun with a short barrel and folding bayonet, its an M44. And if a WWII-era with a cut-down barrel and the numbers ground off the sight elevator, its an M59.

    You can go here for a more specific automated algorithm that will precisely subtype this rifle, should you care to do that.

    http://tinyurl.com/26ayjyv
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  • brunette63
    i was more worried about the bolt not matching because of the spacing issue, it seemed a little much but is it a 91/30 from the sounds off it?
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by brunette63
    i was more worried about the bolt not matching because of the spacing issue, it seemed a little much but is it a 91/30 from the sounds off it?



    If it's dated 1943 on a round receiver it's either 91/30, or one of the cut down East Block carbines. These carbines are known to U.S. collectors as 91/59's. The difference obviously is in the barrel length. As the previous posters noted even if it's a 91/59, being mismatched not likely worth $200.
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  • brunette63
    Thanks for the help, I think ill hold off on it
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  • beantownshootah
    If you otherwise like the gun, you can always offer less.

    I just checked, and I see prices on these have been creeping up a bit. Not too long ago, you could buy as many of these as you liked for $80 a pop. Now, it seems, they're drying up a little bit, and the 91/30s typically run around $100-120 each (plus shipping) from the big surplus houses.

    When you buy the "new" re-arsenalled guns, they typically include accessories including a bayonet, oil bottle, firing pin depth gauge, and canvas "dog collar" strap.

    If you have a C&R FFL, you can have these shipped directly to your door legally, and not pay any transfer fees.

    But even if you factor in transfer AND shipping fees, you can probably have any number of these for a net cost of about $150-170 each.

    So even though I said this gun wasn't worth more than $100 out the door, I'm probably wrong about that, since the market appears to have moved a bit.

    Its going to depend a bit on your geographic location. Assuming the gun in question is otherwise in good shape, and you're in a location where there aren't a lot of guns for sale, it could be reasonable to pay up to $150 for one out the door, and if you really like this one, that's definitely a more than fair offer. If the seller has any clue what they have (and aren't simply in the "cheat the unwary" business), they should take that offer.
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