Date a pistol for C & R Eligable??
Is there any way to accurately date a J.C. Higgins Model M-85 .22cal pistol to see if eligable for C & R transfer?
The pistol in question is a 'Unique' and it was manufactured in France by Manufacture D'Armes Des Pyrenes and is sn 51487X.
I know Spanish pistols can sometimes be dated by proof marks but can French manufacture be identified like this?
The pistol in question is a 'Unique' and it was manufactured in France by Manufacture D'Armes Des Pyrenes and is sn 51487X.
I know Spanish pistols can sometimes be dated by proof marks but can French manufacture be identified like this?
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I don't know if the feds will buy this as a verifiable way to establish DOM? Sears quit using J.C. Higgins as a Trade Mark/Trade Name in the late 50's. Ted Williams's name took over from then, on their products.
Their are collectors of Trade Marked/Trade Name products, active on the net. You might try A GOOGLE search to find those who collect J.C. Higgins stuff, to get a definitive date that Sears stopped using it as a Trade Mark/Trade Name.0 -
Don't know if this helps or hurts but... the model 88 .22 JC Higgins was made by High Standard and sold by Sears from 1958 to 1970. 0 -
NOTE: When Sears phased out the name J.C. HIGGINS they went to just SEARS. although the name TED WILLIAMS was used on some shotguns. 0 -
If the buyer can't prove it was made in 1962 or prior, ship it to an FFL dealer to be safe. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ned Fall
NOTE: When Sears phased out the name J.C. HIGGINS they went to just SEARS. although the name TED WILLIAMS was used on some shotguns.
Sears still had some J.C. Higgins, Model 80, .22 pistols in stock. When they curtailed the sale of handguns, sometime in the late 50's/early 60's?
The pistols were shipped back to High Standard. Who had originally manufactured them as a derivative of their DuraMatic. To sell them High Standard had to remove the J.C. Higgins name, from the pistol.
To the best of my knowledge, Sears no longer sold handguns after this. Either using their name, or Ted Williams's.0 -
Seb1999,
Sears handgun sales ended about the end of 1963 so all Sears handguns are not C&R. Proving just when a particular Model 85 was made may be difficult. If it were a High Standard made handgun proof would be relatively easy.
Rufe,
The transition from the use of the J. C. Higgins trade name to the Ted Williams trade name varied by type of product and by specific models within the various types. The transition occurred from about 1962 through 1964. Pistol sales were curtailed about the end of 1963. I don't believe that there were ever any pistols marketed by Sears under the Ted Williams name. No handguns made by High Standard carried the Ted Williams trade name but some rifles and shotguns did.
Babun,
The Model 88 was sold to Sears from February 1955 through about December 1963.
Ned,
Some J. C. Higgins Models in production at the time of transition never made the transition to the Ted Williams brand name. Some did indeed go to simply Sears and others jumped directly to Ted Williams. Others went directly to Ted Williams and then when a replacement model was introduced as a Ted Williams model, the model was continued to run out the contract with High Standard under the Sears brand.
The lack of a single transition time and the lack of a consistent pattern of the usage of the various trade names has caused a lot of confusion.0
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