Knife Pistol
I was recently at a auction and met a guy who was asking about two knife pistols that he had. One was a US Arms Defender and the other a Huntsman..He believes them to be made around 1920s and both take modern ammo. There are no serial numbers he said. They were from an Uncles Estate. He was asking how he could sell them or what he could do with them. He has a pistol permit but there are no serial numbers on them to add them to his permit. He wanted to put them in a gun auction but the dealer said he did not think he could sell them even though he was a gun dealer. Can anyone help?
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"Flayderman's Guide" has a reference to them in the cartridge handguns section. According to him they are NFA firearms.
If you don't have a copy of Flayderman's Guide, most libraries have one in their reference sections.
You best inform your friend to not do anything with them, until the legalities are straightened out.
EDIT #1, Here is a link to a "STICKY", that has information on NFA firearms.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3656870 -
Those are illegal and best relegated to the bottom of the Hudson River. 0 -
I'm not sure. What does "modern ammunition" mean? Certainly if they are smoothbore, they would be considered AOW's. But, if the bores are rifled, it seems to me like they would meet the definition of "pistol".
If I were "the guy", I would write to ATF, with a description & photos, & ask for an opinion. They may ask him to turn them in for destruction, but, if they don't provide a letter stating that they are legal, they are worthless anyway.
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Ammo i believe he said was either a 22 or 22 short. I did not see them. 0 -
Steel stamping serial numbers wouldn't be altering or removing numbers or would it.
The Hudson River doesn't need collectible firearms.0 -
Most of the knife pistols were NFA items- AOWs to be exact. They are considered to be a "disguised firearm". However, please do not take my word for it- since I will not be the one going to the Federal Pen in Atlanta- check with the ATF. Possession of an unregistered AOW carries same penalty as possession of an unregistered short barreled shotgun, etc. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
Most of the knife pistols were NFA items- AOWs to be exact. They are considered to be a "disguised firearm". However, please do not take my word for it- since I will not be the one going to the Federal Pen in Atlanta- check with the ATF. Possession of an unregistered AOW carries same penalty as possession of an unregistered short barreled shotgun, etc.
Exactly right. And, even if it was considered to be a pistol, it's a felony in NY State to possess an unregistered one. I would reconsider the Hudson River. Of course, the Mohawk River is also nice this time of year. [;)]0 -
wshep99,
Here is a link to another discussion on these guns:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=423023
Here is a picture that I got from the 'Net:
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quote:Originally posted by BigLoop22
wshep99,
Here is a link to another discussion on these guns:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=423023
Here is a picture that I got from the 'Net:
There's your answer: "...so cleverly disguised that a deadly weapon is about the last thing the uninitiated would take it for."
It's a disguised weapon and subject to NFA regulations. Dump them.0 -
So im assuming that the ATF wont allow serial numbers to be put on these types pistols as to make them legal on someones permit? 0 -
The problem is NOT the lack of serial numbers, and problem is not a state pistol permit. It is an unregistered HIGHLY regulated firearm under FEDERAL law- the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA). The time to have registered it was at least back in 1969 when the ATF had an amnesty. I do not believe there is any way to register an EXISTING NFA firearm that has not been registered. With the exception of full autos, you CAN register intent to manufacture, and build a new one AFTER getting approval, but not the other way around. Sorry. 0
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