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I have a Coopers arms 22, made in Stevensville Mt. It has a heavy bead blasted barrel, fiber stock, adj. trigger and the ser # is MFW 91. Could some one tell me what this rifle is worth
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I have a cooper 22 with a stainless steel bead blasted barrel and fiber stock. This rifle was built by the orginal cooper co. There were 100 of these rifles produced and mine has the SR# of wf 91. Can any one tell me what the value of this rifle is 0 -
First off, firearms, are a tool, yes, but can and are also much more that tools. They are the part of our second ammendment right that the corrupt politicians, and Governments fear. They are the onlything that can bring into check, or oust a government, which is corrupt. Especially in the hands of courageous, determined non governmental militia's, such as our forfather's of this country.
Firearms are also investment, in several ways. Monetarily, if purchased with the right brand names(Colt, and Winchester), and an investment in the future of enjoyment.
The Cooper, of which you ask about, are real works, of fine workig art. They are high quality for the dollar, and are made on the semi custom baseline, and can be made to order with many embillishments. They are very accurate, and possess very good ergonomics.
The Cooper's I have had, all have had exceptional wood, and have all been on the Model 38 action. One of tem was a repeating 17 CCM. They produced groups at 100 yards that would rival a lot of bench rest guns. I like to hunt, and did not wish to
So yes, I would give the nod for a Model 52. I would even go as far to say to get it with two stocks, if your heart desires a hunter, and one that looks great. As for chambering...The 270 is a wonderful round, as is the 30-06. Of course the 30-06 is more versatile than the 270, and will do everything the 270 can do, plus some. That can not be said in reverse. I hav several rifles, in various chamberings, but do not have one in 270 anything...no specific reason. However, I have found, for everything up to Black bear, in my 30-06, I like the lighter, tuff bullets, like the Barnes Tipped TSX, of the 130 grain weight. It penetrates, does not come unglude, and has substantially less recoil than some of the heavier bullets. But should I choose to go shoot a Yukon Moose, All I have to do is step it up to the 180 grain or above? Can you do that in a 270? Not very much, but then you said that you didn't want to go there anyway. If you want the best of both worlds, and are willing to handload, and buy pricey factory ammunition, then there is the 280 AI. Very nice round, and has approximately the same power as the 7mm Remington Magnum.
Well in closing, it looks like you are in kinda of muck. Not a bad place to be in in this type of decision. By all means, let us know how it turned out, and your decision making process that led you there.
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quote:Even though a caliber will take a wide range of bullets weights, the rifling and barrel length will determine which weight bullet the rifle likes best.
Usually , it might like one bullet style and weight best over all, but a bunch will have acceptable results. Even though it can be done with light bullets and frangible jackets, it is almost impossible to overstabalize a bullet? Come, now...put too much spin on it? Like I said it is not impossible. I have seen it in a 1 in 7 AR-15, and 40 grain TAP rounds, that was printing 8 inch groups at 100 yards. The bullet was actually starting to open before hitting anything, doe to the centrifical force.
That said, in a big 30 caliber, it is even less bound to happen. Also, do consider that the Barnes 130 grain TTSX I mentioned, is a flat performer, and leaves the muzzle at almost 3300 FPS.
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quote:Yes.
In theory, polymer is much more resistant to changes in temperature and humidity, so its generally more accurate under a variety of climates. Most shooters interested in max accuracy (over aesthetics) go for synthetic.
Now if you're not interested in absolutely maximum possible accuracy (ie you're not a competitive, or long range shooter) then in practice, this may not be enough of a factor to worry about. IE, its nice if you can get them, but you really don't need 1/4 MOA groups to kill a deer. Also, for what its worth, a good laminate will give you most of the function of synthetic with the appearance of wood.
In general, polymers are also more water resistant, and they can be lighter (if that's what you are looking for).
While there are a lot of injection molded, polymer based stocks out there, not all synthetic stocks are polymer based. The better, and more stabil ones, are some kind of form material, with a kevlar/fiberglass resin overlay. They also encompass, either pillars for the bedding, or full action length bedding blocks.
While I am not exactly sure who Cooper has making their synthetic stocks for them, you can rest assured, that they are quality, and not one of the injection molded polymer pieces of crap, like what is commonly found in the Savage, Remington, Ruger, Browning, Winchester, Tikka, and many other's line ups'.
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I like wood, but for hunting in bad weather I'd get a synthetic.
270's didn't offer a lot of bullet choices compaired to 7mm and 30 cal., might be more choices these days.
If you are recoil sensitive a 6mm might fill your needs better.0 -
As far as caliber goes, no one caliber will do everything. Even though a caliber will take a wide range of bullets weights, the rifling and barrel length will determine which weight bullet the rifle likes best. I have a 26" 30 caliber rifle that is sub MOA at 100 yds w/ 180gr bullets but when I change bullet weights the groups open up.
I would decide the main purpose you plan to use this rifle for and then choose a caliber barrel length that best serves this purpose.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tomcat_blackknights
Is there any benifits to syn over wood as far as accuracy/reliability?
Yes.
In theory, polymer is much more resistant to changes in temperature and humidity, so its generally more accurate under a variety of climates. Most shooters interested in max accuracy (over aesthetics) go for synthetic.
Now if you're not interested in absolutely maximum possible accuracy (ie you're not a competitive, or long range shooter) then in practice, this may not be enough of a factor to worry about. IE, its nice if you can get them, but you really don't need 1/4 MOA groups to kill a deer. Also, for what its worth, a good laminate will give you most of the function of synthetic with the appearance of wood.
In general, polymers are also more water resistant, and they can be lighter (if that's what you are looking for).
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Im looking to use this gun for deer/varmiting/bench shooting. nothing much bigger than deer. I'm leaning towards the 270 cause of its availabilty in ammo although i do plan on hand loading. Or could there be a better cal out there that would fit my uses better?
You're not going to go wrong with a .270 for the purposes you mentioned, particularly if you want one gun for all three purposes.
Whether or not there is something "better" depends on exactly where you are going to concentrate your efforts. (EG .270 can be a highly accurate round, though most serious bench rest shooters use something else).
.308 Winchester and .30-06 are two other rock solid "standards" for hunting and long range shooting, though these may be a bit on the "big" side for varmint hunting.
Responding to above, in terms of "overstabilization" of a bullet with a too fast spin rate, absolutely that's possible. Too fast a spin causes "precession" (or "wobble") that can reduce accuracy.
In fact, its possible to spin a bullet so fast that the jacket will literally be ripped off the bullet due to centrifugal force, causing the bullet to instantly destabilize and/or disintegrate coming out of the barrel! In practice, this sort of thing only happens when you have an extreme mismatch between bullet power, weight, and barrel twist rate. (EG you're firing a really light bullet at full power through a barrel optimized for a heavy bullet).0 -
quote:Originally posted by tomcat_blackknights
Im looking to use this gun for deer/varmiting/bench shooting.
I might be a wuss, but just couldn't handle a .270 for any substantial amount of bench shooting or varmiting. Shooting a lot of 100 to 130 grain bullets at 3000 FPS gets old real quick.
In my mind going with one of the modern 6mm cartridges using solid Barnes type copper bullets for deer, and lighter bullets for varmints and bench shooting, would be the way to go.0 -
I have my first Cooper and I sure would buy a second. Nice rifle. I have always like the traditional blue/wood rifle. But being a practical person, I sure prefer SS/synthetic for any hunting rifle.
You'll get a lot of input on chamber selection. Pick somthing adequate for your game of choice. And more important, something your confident in. I prefer a 7mm, like the 280 or 7mm Rem Mag, but you will have people say 6.5, 270, 30, or 338 for hunting.
A hunter with proficiency and sure of his/her rifle is much more effective than any fancy chamber you didn't pick.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by tomcat_blackknights
Im looking to use this gun for deer/varmiting/bench shooting.
I might be a wuss, but just couldn't handle a .270 for any substantial amount of bench shooting or varmiting. Shooting a lot of 100 to 130 grain bullets at 3000 FPS gets old real quick.
In my mind going with one of the modern 6mm cartridges using solid Barnes type copper bullets for deer, and lighter bullets for varmints and bench shooting, would be the way to go.
+1 Subjectively I find the recoil from my Steyer .270 worse that 7mag or .308 or -06. May be the stock, but .270 is not my favorite, (Sorry Jack O'Connor). Have you shot .270 and know the cartridges, or are you shopping 'theoreticly'? Just one opinoin added to Rufe's.0 -
I'm going to go well out on a limb here and vote for the .270. I have several rifles in .270 and like the cartridge very much. As far as bullet selection goes; I have 90, 100, 110, 130 140, 150 and 170 gr. bullets on my shelves and have favorite loads for most of those bullet weights. Recoil is noticeably less than the .30/06 (I have several of those, also). Unlike some cartridges, it is usually quite easy to get the advertised velocitys when handloading without going over the top. A can of H4831 or Reloader 22 and a box of 130 gr. Sierra bullets and you're good for most anything. Quite a few of my .270's will hit 3100 fps with 130's and 2900 fps with 150's. Anyway, that's my opinion, FWIW, I'm a .270 fan. 0 -
None for me, thanks. I've seen too many Cooper rifles leave the factory with unfinished stocks, with exposed grain. For that kind of money, I would expect more effort to go into a nicer finish. 0 -
I have two Coopers...love them both. Both with wood stocks. The wood is very nicely grained and the finish is good. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by skyfish
I have my first Cooper and I sure would buy a second. Nice rifle. I have always like the traditional blue/wood rifle. But being a practical person, I sure prefer SS/synthetic for any hunting rifle.
You'll get a lot of input on chamber selection. Pick somthing adequate for your game of choice. And more important, something your confident in. I prefer a 7mm, like the 280 or 7mm Rem Mag, but you will have people say 6.5, 270, 30, or 338 for hunting.
A hunter with proficiency and sure of his/her rifle is much more effective than any fancy chamber you didn't pick.
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