SW 27-2,3 transitional model?
What I have is a SW marked 27-2 on the frame and it has the recessed cylinders correct for that model.
Yet it has a fixed barrel not the pinned that a 27-2 should have.
The Ser.#941xxx dates the gun at the early production of the model 27-3(1983). at which time some left over 27-2 frames were used for the first 27-3s.
I am curious to know what effect knowledgeable collectors think this may or may not have regarding the guns value.
It seems that the lack of a pinned barrel takes from the value.
Yet there has to be a fairly small number of them put together like this one.
Just looking for opinions.Thank you.
Yet it has a fixed barrel not the pinned that a 27-2 should have.
The Ser.#941xxx dates the gun at the early production of the model 27-3(1983). at which time some left over 27-2 frames were used for the first 27-3s.
I am curious to know what effect knowledgeable collectors think this may or may not have regarding the guns value.
It seems that the lack of a pinned barrel takes from the value.
Yet there has to be a fairly small number of them put together like this one.
Just looking for opinions.Thank you.
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Your gun probably was actually made in 1982 as there was an overlap of serial numbers made between 1982 and 1983. The N800000 group ended in 83 and the N900000 started in 82.
The non pinned barrel but counterbored cylinder would surely seem to make it a "transitional" gun since they were both eliminated according to the S&W book in 1982 with the beginning of the 27-3 run.
IMO the lack of value of a pinned barrel would be offset by the fact the gun has features of both a 27-2 and a 27-3.
I suspect someone at the factory got confused during the transition or just decided to use "available" parts during assembly of guns made during that short transition period.
I once saw a Colt 1911a1 made during the transition from the 1911's to 1911a1's. This pistol had the finger relief cut into the frame behind the trigger, but only on one side.0 -
Laredo Lefty...I agree.It makes perfect sense that SW would use any existing 27-2 frames without pin holes rather than discard them.
I had wanted a 27 for quite a while to show what my pre-28 Highway Patrolman had evolved from.
The pre-28 and 4 screw model 29 I have(thanks dad)both have recessed cylinders.
I really like this feature(very slick)and only considered models prior to the 27-3.
When I saw this one on GB I thought what the hell is this?Fixed barrel on a 27-2?Then Dating it explained to me what it was.
I was still reluctant to buy it,but when it arrived I was happy I did.
The older Smiths I have and the Python I was fortunate to acquire may have more value,but in my opinion the 27 is the nicest of the 4.
What a work of art.Hats off to team SW of 1982.
Do you know whether or not your transitional 1911a1 had any additional value over a typical 1911 or 1911a1?0 -
Minor variations might bring a slight (5-10%) premium if the gun is NIB.
If the gun is used, especially < 99% finish, it is unlikely anyone would pay extra.
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nmyers...Thank you.Mint-No box.
I understand boxes mean alot to some collectors.
Some(none I have)are themselves works of art.
For me when making a purchase,the lack of,or inclusion of the box doesnt matter much.Of course I want it if its there.
Its all about the gun.How rare,and is it a thing of beauty or isnt it?
Hoping to read additional comments regarding transitional guns that either back-up or dispute nmyers.Thank you.0 -
tone.....
The 1911a1 I saw was at an auction, not mine, although I wish it would have been. I had never seen a 1911a1 with the relief cut on one side but not the other. Almost gives new meaning to the word "transitional"
Yes, boxes are important to collectors. Iam a member of the S&W Collectors Assoc and chat a lot with fellow collectors. When talking about a new acquisitions there is always the question of, does it have the "original" box. A good number of my Smiths did not come with a box, so I look on the internet for the correct size and labeled box. Also of importance is the treated brown paper, tool set and paperwork that always accompany new guns when they leave the factory.0 -
Lefty...Sorry,you had said you had seen the 1911 not that you had one.
Do you feel as nmyer does, that my 27-2 transitional gun has about the same potential value as a typical 27-2 since I dont have the box?
By the way any suggestions on a collectable short barreled(3in or less)revolver in 357mag.
Of the 4 above mentioned guns along with a Colt Trooper MK V there is currently 3-6in and 2-4in.
I like the looks of the 2 inch Colt Lawman III with the rod shroud.
What would you consider to be the top S&W in a short 357?
I am partial to models which are at least 30 years old.Thank you.0 -
Yes, I agree with Neal. Although its a novelty having a gun with mixed features, its not all that rare. When Smith transitioned from -2 or -3 etc of any given model, they would use existing frames and parts which sometimes caused overlaps in features.
The model 27 was made in a 3 1/2" and the model 66 was made in 2 1/2" & 3", all .357's. I also collect Colts and have Pythons with 2 1/2" & 3" barrels. These are all fine short barrel magnums but you will pay a lot more for Pythons as they have gone WAY up in value in the last few years.
I agree with you, I love the older Smith revolvers and autos like the 41, 52, 39 etc.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tone59
Lefty...Sorry,you had said you had seen the 1911 not that you had one.
Do you feel as nmyer does, that my 27-2 transitional gun has about the same potential value as a typical 27-2 since I dont have the box?
By the way any suggestions on a collectable short barreled(3in or less)revolver in 357mag.
Of the 4 above mentioned guns along with a Colt Trooper MK V there is currently 3-6in and 2-4in.
I like the looks of the 2 inch Colt Lawman III with the rod shroud.
What would you consider to be the top S&W in a short 357?
I am partial to models which are at least 30 years old.Thank you.
At least 30yr. old? Get a 2 1/2in barrelled model 19 W/round butt.
Wear ear protection.
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Lefty...A 2 1/2in. and a Combat Python!Im so jealous!
I still have my SW 39 NIB(1960 B-day).
Let go of a SW 41 NIB(1959)with 7 3/8 muzzle brake barrel to a good friend that is a competative shooter.
I thought by now he would be tired of it(thats how he usually gets with his guns)and sell it back to me.
Instead I am afraid he has fallen deeply in love with it and would be more apt to sell his wife and kids than his 41.
Since you did not comment on the 2in Colt Lawman III,I take it you like the Smiths over the Lawman.Is this the case?
givette...Thank you,the 19 looks nice.when did production begin?if I were to go after a SW,Id want recessed cyl.
Curious to know if 66,65,60,or 13 ever came with recessed cyl.0 -
tone
If your friend decides to sell the 41 back to you, I hope he does so at the same price. I have always been partial to the Python action over the Lawman series action, not that its not a good strong action, they are.
You didn't say if the short .357 your looking for is for carry or just general shooting. For carry its hard to beat the 2 1/2" model 66 or 19, same gun just different metal. Being made on the "K" frame it would be wise to practice with mostly .38 ammo and carry either .38+P or mag ammo.
The model 19 was introduced in 1955. The 2 1/2" barreled 19 in 1966, and the recessed cylinders were discontinued in 1982. Early versions of the 65 & 66 guns had recessed cylinders but not the model 60.
Here are some of my shorties.
3" model 66, kinda hard to find.
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2 1/2" 66's on top
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3" blue Python middle
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2 1/2" nickel Python bottom
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For good knock down power, a Smith 25 .45ACP 3"
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My 3 1/2" model 27
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2 1/2" model 19 blue
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2 1/2" model 19 nickel
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