Model 141 in 35 Remington
I just picked up a Remington 141 in 35 Remington and will reload for it, I've already bought cases and full length die set. Any thoughts on neck sizing only for the 141? I know full length is used in semi auto, I tend to use bolts and single shot and generally neck size only. Will neck sizing work in the slide action?
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Depends on your load and your rifle's chamber.
My first big game rifle was a 30 Rem in a 14. I used a heavy roll crimp as way back then there was no taper crimp. I always loaded round or flat nose bullets as I didn't trust the sprial flutes in the mag tube. The damage to the nose occured when cycling the action not during recoil.0 -
Loads will be on the modest side, nothing stout.
Also, what kind of crimp, if any, should I put on this? I don't want to bullets seating deeper during recoil.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
Loads will be on the modest side, nothing stout.
Also, what kind of crimp, if any, should I put on this? I don't want to bullets seating deeper during recoil.
Order one of those factory crimp dies from Lee. Long as you have a heavy duty press with enough leverage, you won't have any problems with the bullets slipping.0 -
I have been wanting one myself, and with the LeverEvolution ammo out thats a bad bad gun. 0 -
I bought a 141 in 35 rem. myself a few months ago. It's a great little rifle. So far, I've only used factory loads, but haven't been disappointed. I hope you like yours as much. 0 -
Doug,
Welcome to the wonderful world of the 35 Remington. It has been around, if I am not mistaken, since 1908. Most ammunition manufacturer's run this cartridge toward the bottem end of the tolerence, to make sure it will function in all of those older semi-automatic's, and slide/pump action rifles. You might get away with the neck sizing, if you can find neck dies for it, but I would shy away from it.
I know when I had the T/C Contender in 35 Remington it was a big problem with the fixed breech system, and the minimal tolerence of the factory loads. About two or three out of a box of 20 would go click, instead of bang. I solved the problem by simply stopping the FL die about 0.040" short of the shoulder, as they did not have the neck dies for this back then. The Contender snapped shut hard, but we always had posative ignition after that. I used the 180 grain Hornady SSP bullet back then on top of a stout load of H-322. I used no crimp, as this was a single shot. For your intended use, I would take rufe-snow's advice and get a factory crimp die. It can't hurt to have a couple sets of dies, so if you can find a neck die, or want to get a bushing die, go for it.
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Doug,
Like I said, you don't need a neck die to experiment with. The neck die will actually make your case even larger near the base. The shoulder of this beast is what we are talking about. The 141 has a breech block, that cams in to lock it up, thus has a breech face that is variable, not like the fixed breech face of the T/C.
I seriously believe that neck dies in use with your 141 are going to give you trouble. For a T/C Contender, the neck or bushing die is the only way to go. Reason being, that they only size the neck, and don't work the brass, and will extend your case life in the T/C. However that is opposite for the rifles without the fixed breech face.
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I had a 14" T/C barrel in 35 Remington a few years back, got rid of it for some reason, can't recall why. But that short, slight shoulder is part of my concern. If I full length resize and crimp a bit it seems I'm just begging for misfires. If I neck size only then I should get a good shoulder and can maybe hit the crimp enough to ensure the bullets don't push back into the case - but the case may balk going into the chamber.
Maybe this is a good reason to grab a 35 Remington barrel again, then getting a neck die will definitely be put to use. [8D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
Doug,
Welcome to the wonderful world of the 35 Remington. It has been around, if I am not mistaken, since 1908. Most ammunition manufacturer's run this cartridge toward the bottem end of the tolerence, to make sure it will function in all of those older semi-automatic's, and slide/pump action rifles. You might get away with the neck sizing, if you can find neck dies for it, but I would shy away from it.
I know when I had the T/C Contender in 35 Remington it was a big problem with the fixed breech system, and the minimal tolerence of the factory loads. About two or three out of a box of 20 would go click, instead of bang. I solved the problem by simply stopping the FL die about 0.040" short of the shoulder, as they did not have the neck dies for this back then. The Contender snapped shut hard, but we always had posative ignition after that. I used the 180 grain Hornady SSP bullet back then on top of a stout load of H-322. I used no crimp, as this was a single shot. For your intended use, I would take rufe-snow's advice and get a factory crimp die. It can't hurt to have a couple sets of dies, so if you can find a neck die, or want to get a bushing die, go for it.
Best
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Doug,
Like I said, you don't need a neck die to experiment with. The neck die will actually make your case even larger near the base. The shoulder of this beast is what we are talking about. The 141 has a breech block, that cams in to lock it up, thus has a breech face that is variable, not like the fixed breech face of the T/C.
I seriously believe that neck dies in use with your 141 are going to give you trouble. For a T/C Contender, the neck or bushing die is the only way to go. Reason being, that they only size the neck, and don't work the brass, and will extend your case life in the T/C. However that is opposite for the rifles without the fixed breech face.
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OK, I'll give the full length "back off a bit" method a try first. My current seating dies will give a crimp, every thing I'm using for bullets has a cannelure and I'm seating to that depth.0 -
I have two of them and load for both , just size to chamber and have at it . W-748 and IMR-4895 work well . 0
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