45ACP P+ in FEG GKK
I have a FEG GKK in 45ACP. I believe it was imported and manufactured only for a few years in the early 1990s. Mine is from an estate and unfired.
The pistol appears to be a upsized version of the FEG 9mm, double action that looks like a version of the Browning HI-Power. Not having had a chance to fire it, I was wondering if it was able to handle P+ ammunition. Any thoughts on this question?
The pistol appears to be a upsized version of the FEG 9mm, double action that looks like a version of the Browning HI-Power. Not having had a chance to fire it, I was wondering if it was able to handle P+ ammunition. Any thoughts on this question?
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Save the Plus P ammo for the Glock Model 20 or a Colt 1911. You blow a extractor/ejector or something else on a Hungarian made orphan that hasn't been imported for years, might have problems replacing it.
Years ago I bought a Steyr GB and only shot it once. Found out their were no replacement parts available for them. Some guy blew the extractor on his and advertised all over the net for a replacement, with no luck.
There are a bunch of low production orphan guns with the same problem, floating around. Guy tried to sell me a Bernadelli 9mm, also with a missing extractor. No way was I going to buy it.0 -
I think you should try it with regular ammo first. After several 100's rounds rip it apart and inspect the working surfaces. If you still feel the need for +P then mavbe a few mags full. Then re-inspect the working surfaces. You might also consider taking good pic's of parts that might break/wear out along with some measurements. Could be really usefull making replacement parts. A HiPower in 45acp sounds fun. Does it have a mag disconnector? And tricked out with slotted and tangent would be just way too much fun. Lastly if I had it; it would have range time. 0 -
Thank you all for your comments and advice. My 1911 guru told me the same advice. 0 -
It probably can handle .45ACP+P especially in limited quantity, though even though it can, you should probably avoid doing it.
If you wanted keep a magazine of +P rounds loaded for "emergency" use and maybe fire a few more magazines full just to make sure the rounds reliably cycle your gun, I doubt very strongly that you'd see any problems.
But as mentioned, running overpressure rounds just adds to wear and tear on the gun. No point in doing that unnecessarily, especially to a rare gun where you're likely to have a hard time finding replacement parts.
Incidentally, I thought the whole point of .45ACP is that its a super-duper manstopper. Why should you need "+P"?0 -
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Incidentally, I thought the whole point of .45ACP is that its a super-duper manstopper. Why should you need "+P"?
I ain't that good a shot!
Also, it does not look like this gun will be easy to shoot accurately. Watch this video on YouTube in slow motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csRKxGypvak
I don't know how close the shooter was to the water jug, but he hit it only twice!0 -
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Incidentally, I thought the whole point of .45ACP is that its a super-duper manstopper. Why should you need "+P"?
I ain't that good a shot!
If that's really the case, you'd want a LOWER recoil/pressure load, not a higher one!
A miss with a .45+P is worse than a miss with an ordinary .45 because the increased recoil of the .45+P means it will take you more time for a followup shot.
If your marksmanship is poor, the "fix" is to improve your marksmanship, not increase the power of your gun. Even if you're shooting a .44 magnum, you still have to hit a vital area for the shot to "work"; you can't make up for poor aim with more power.
When you're dealing with a marginal round like a .38 special, I think it makes sense to try and increase the power by 10% with +P loadings.
With a .45ACP which fires a much wider, and much heavier slug offering considerably better penetration, I'm not sure "+P" loads really buy you that much.
quote:Also, it does not look like this gun will be easy to shoot accurately. Watch this video on YouTube in slow motion.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csRKxGypvak
I don't know how close the shooter was to the water jug, but he hit it only twice!
His poor marksmanship doesn't mean you need to use overpressure rounds.
Maybe the gun is hard to shoot, and maybe it isn't, but even if it is, I don't see how overpressure rounds are going to help you out.0 -
Thanks for the comments. Actually, though the school of thought that "double taps" are the way to go, I prefer to take my time to make sure the first one gets the job done in center mass. I noticed in the video, the shooter only gets the first and last shots in the jug. So any follow up shots will have to be up close, if necessary. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Manoa-Fisherman
Thanks for the comments. Actually, though the school of thought that "double taps" are the way to go, I prefer to take my time to make sure the first one gets the job done in center mass. I noticed in the video, the shooter only gets the first and last shots in the jug. So any follow up shots will have to be up close, if necessary.
The empirical reality is that during gunfights all parties generally use all available ammunition. Its also true that most shooting incidents occur at extremely close range. *ALL* shots are likely to occur "up close".
At the range, on paper you may be firing beautiful double-taps or aimed single shots.
But when someone with a knife jumps out from a shadow and scares the crap out of you, your stress, adrenaline, tunnel vision, etc, all team up to erode all your mechanical skills and often critical thinking as well.
You're not likely to have the ability to carefully aim one shot, watch it hit, then consider the response. What if your "center mass" shot doesn't DO ANYTHING? In fact, its perfectly possible for a human being hopped up on drugs or adrenaline to function effectively for at least 20 seconds with a .45 caliber hole in their heart. Do you know how much ground a person can cover and damage someone can do in 20 seconds?
The point, there is no school of "one shot" or "double tap".
If you have to shoot, the rule is "keep shooting until the guy falls over, you run out of ammo, or both". If you're legally justified in shooting someone once, you're still legally justified in shooting them eight times if that's what it takes to stop their assault.0 -
Thank you again for your thoughts and comments. Of course, one takes the appropriate course of action under the circumstances that arise.
In some communities, a person would be applauded for putting the entire clip in a varmint. In some others, people will say why didn't you fire a warning shot or shoot the gun or knife out of the predator's hand.
Unfortunately, I live in a latter thinking community. So unless I am real lucky and blow the guy's head off on the first shot, the likelyhood of criminal prosecution, as well as a civil lawsuit, are very likely if I fire more than a couple of shots. Naturally, the cops here routinely empty their clips on shooting suspects, but are normally patted on the back, not so civilians who defend themselves.
One has to tailor one's response to the environment they live in.0
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