hakim C&R?
hello, was wondering if anyone can tell me if the Egyptian hakim rifle falls under c&r status, thanks
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They were made in the 50's. Before Egypt started getting AK's, and other arms from the old Soviet Union. Everything made prior to 1964, is automatically C & R. 0 -
They were made into the late 60's. The date is on the receiver in Arabic, and while the rest of Arabic is written right-to-left, numbers are written left-to-right. 
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quote:Originally posted by TRAP55
They were made into the late 60's. The date is on the receiver in Arabic, and while the rest of Arabic is written right-to-left, numbers are written left-to-right.
Yup, you can also use your rear sight as a "magic decoder ring" to translate the serial number [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
They were made in the 50's. Before Egypt started getting AK's, and other arms from the old Soviet Union. Everything made prior to 1964, is automatically C & R.
Not "automatically". See here, where some wiseacre opined military surplus guns ALSO have to be in their original configuration to legally qualify for C&R status:
quote:http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=639049
Is it correct any WWII automatic pistol is classified as as curio and relic, for example an Ithaca 1911A1 45?
Aldo
quote:rufe-snow
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Posted - 09/28/2014 : 3:24:42 PM
As long as it hasn't been altered, from it's factory original configuration.
I happen to agree with this wiseacre (and think a few of the other comments in that thread by OTHER wiseacres are worth looking at).
A Hakim rifle *COULD* qualify as a C&R assuming its in original configuration. In fact almost all of them ARE in original configuration, but I don't think, sight unseen that you can assume that.
As to whether or not a given type of gun qualifies, yes, there is a 50 year rule that applies to ALL firearms.
However, the BATFE has *ALSO* determined that certain types of military surplus guns *DO NOT* necessarily have to be over 50 years old to qualify.
For example, by specific BATFE ruling, all European made SKS rifles are considered C&R guns, regardless of year of manufacture, again, so long as they are in original configuration.
In the case of Egyptian Hakim rifles, the BATFE has determined that yes, these qualify as C&R rifles (all of them, regardless of year of manufacture). Please don't take my word for it; see pages 17 and 22 of the BATFE C&R list here:
quote:https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/firearms/curios-relics/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-list.pdf
SECTION II
SECTION II: Firearms Classified As Curios Or Relics Under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44
The Bureau has determined that the following firearms are Curios or Relics as defined in 27 CFR 47 8.11 because they fall within one of the categories specified in the regulations. Such determination merely classifies the firearms as Curios or Relics and thereby authorizes licensed collectors to acquire, hold, or dispose of them
as Curios or Relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 478. They are still "firearms" as defined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.
Danish, M1910/1921 Bayard, pistol, cal. 9mm Bergmann-Bayard.
Davis Warner, Infallible, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .32.
Dreyse, semiautomatic pistols, all calibers.
Egyptian Raschid, semiautomatic rifle, cal. 7.62 x 39mm, original Egyptian military production.
Egyptian, Hakim (Ljungman) 7.92mm semiautomatic rifle as mfd. in Egypt.
Erma-Werke, Model EL 24, cal. .22, rifle, mfd. prior to 1946.
Esser-Barraft, English manufacture, slide action rifle, cal. .303.
Fabrique Nationale 1889-1989 Centenary High Power pistols, cal. 9mm.0
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