45-70
I was thinking of getting the new pistol that shoots 45-70 ammo. has anyone ever shot one of these things and if so, how far did it throw you?[8D][8D]
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I need an opinion,Mich recently passed a deer hunting ruling that in the shotgun/muzzleloader area you can used a straight wall cartridge BUT the kicker is there is a Min/Max length of 1.16" and 1.8" which pretty much limits you to a handgun cartridge.Could I shorten a 45-70 from 2.105 to 1.8" and use safely? I suspect you would get some leading in the chamber ahead of the rifling.Also would a tapered case like a 40-65 still be considered a straight wall? I usually use my musket but I have an old Sharps that I would love to use. Thanks 0 -
I think a 45-60 is 1.89 or so. You could do a little shorter, think 38 Special in a 357 Mag. No real issues if you clean the gun properly. Accuracy might be less but still likely minute of whitetail. I bet there is a legal difference in straight taper and straight walled.
You should run the question past your fish and game first, and get the ruling in writing, be a real shame to loose a Sharps over a technicality.0 -
I have just read the new / changed cartridge law. In MY OPINION you would be legal with a 1.8 in. case in a Sharps rifle. A tapered case is not a straight wall and COULD BE considered not legal (may be debateable). Of course, the rules are written for factoy loaded ammo and not for reloaders / tinkerers like us. If you hunt on private land you would probably never be challenged. Hunting on public land, you need to be sure you are not breaking the law. Realize that the restrictions in southern Michigan are to prohibit high powered, long range rifle cartridges from being used in settled farm land areas.
The only sure way to use a non-standard cartridge is to contact the DNR. The rules booklet is only a guide, as stated on the first page (pg. 3). It gives the DNR website to read the actual law. Good luck. An interesting project to use some of the old rifles.0 -
Nvac130 I do hunt on private property but I want to be legal. The best way to tell is to shorten a few 45-70's to the new length and see how they preform.As far as safety in a farming area,my 45 cal. black powder rifle will shoot just as far as my Sharps or Rolling block with light factory loads.I'll report back after I try some 1.8" shells. 0 -
Also it will depend on IF MI is looking at the chamber or the cartridge itself IE: would a 357 MAX chamber be legal, if you loaded it with 38spl cartridges?
IIRC Indiana has a similar law / restriction, and there is a wildcat already made for it, the 458 Hoosier which is a 45-70 shortened to 1.789".
But again, would MI look at the chamber length (IIRC that's what IN looks at) or the case length0 -
For a moderate load in the 45-70, that is close to original factory, you are not missing much by going with a 44 magnum lever gun. In my 45-70's, even the strong ones, I run a 405 hard cast over 33 grains of IMR 4198. It gives me around 1300 FPS...it does plenty out to 400 yards in my Browning 1885 BPCR. I have killed deer with it at 225 yards...just because I could.
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By straight walled, I am sure they mean no shoulder's, or neck downs. Not a tapered case with straight walls.0
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