Dutch Carbine brass stock plate
I have a Dutch Mannlicher carbine dated 1919 from Hembrug, Netherlands with the following brass plate inlet into the stock:
I am reasonably certain that this carbine served with the Dutch East Indies Army (KNIL is for Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger {Royal Netherlands East Indies Army}) because it has a turned down bolt, skeleton rimmed butt plate, two vent holes in the receiver, and the above unit marking plate; all characteristics of KNIL use. Extensive rust underneath the stock would seem to confirm jungle use. My question is:
Can anyone explain which unit the marking plate indicates?
I suspect that Verl.G III represents Vl.G., which is short for Vliegtuiggroep (air group)III. Vl.G III was stationed at Tjililitan airfield, Batavia, Java and flew Glenn Martin B-10 bombers; known as the export Model 139WH-3 and 139WH-3A.
If I understand Dutch practice at the time, 83 would be the carbine's number within that unit.
Any information, and corrections would be greatly appreciated.
I am reasonably certain that this carbine served with the Dutch East Indies Army (KNIL is for Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger {Royal Netherlands East Indies Army}) because it has a turned down bolt, skeleton rimmed butt plate, two vent holes in the receiver, and the above unit marking plate; all characteristics of KNIL use. Extensive rust underneath the stock would seem to confirm jungle use. My question is:
Can anyone explain which unit the marking plate indicates?
I suspect that Verl.G III represents Vl.G., which is short for Vliegtuiggroep (air group)III. Vl.G III was stationed at Tjililitan airfield, Batavia, Java and flew Glenn Martin B-10 bombers; known as the export Model 139WH-3 and 139WH-3A.
If I understand Dutch practice at the time, 83 would be the carbine's number within that unit.
Any information, and corrections would be greatly appreciated.
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You might have better luck on the Luger Forum. The Dutch KNIL Lugers, had brass plates soldered to their frames. With similar unit markings? I use to own one.
I believe members of the Luger Forum who also own these KNIL lugers. Have researched these lugers extensively. If memory serves? There is also a book on Dutch Lugers.0 -
Another good option would be the Mannlicher forum on the gunboards site.
What you say sounds reasonable. Has it been converted to .303?0 -
I posted my question over at the Luger forum and got only the following reply (so far)
quote:Verl. as an abbreviation has little to do with vliegtuig. The best I can come up with is that it is a 'Verlichtingsgroep' (lighting group), perhaps a group that managed search lights.
The carbine is still chambered in its original Dutch 6.5x53R.0
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