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bullshot
I have an offer to trade my brand new, unfired Winchester 94 AE in 444 for an unfired 1962 Winchester 94 30-30. I think that the 444 is worth 800-900 but I'm not sure of the value of the 30-30.

What do you guys think?
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  • rufe-snow
    Need quality close-up photos of the 94.

    Instructions for posting photos, at this link.


    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • bullshot
    Have some pictures although not what you would call "quality". Waiting on some additional pictures now.
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  • bullshot
    I have some pictures of the 30-30, rifle is perfect except for one deep ding in the forend, other than that it is original and unfired according to the original owner.

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  • tsr1965
    We need more information, and better/more pictures, the serial number, proof marks, both sights, etc. It appears as it might have been refinished, as two of the screw holes appear to be dished.

    IMHO, it if the 30-30 is Pre-64, then you will be making out slightly better. The 444, is worth about $800.00(or that is what the one and only one that sold on the auction side, sold for in the last 30 days), on the open market right now. It depends on if it is wood stocked or synthetic too.

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    EDIT 1

    quote:What do you mean by the screw holes being "dished"?

    That means that the recever looks as if it has been polished, to be, and has been reblued. Perhaps other's might see it differently. If it has not been refinished, then it is definately worth a lot more than the 444.

    While there are undoubtedly less of your 444's out there, your rifle is a USRAC, wth a "Winchester" stamp on it, and not quite up to the quality level of the Pre-64, and definately not a Pre-War.

    On another note, 30-30, ammunition is more readily common, than 444, in this days "shortage".

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    EDIT 2

    quote:Thanks, what would be the giveaway of a reblue job when I get a chance to inspect the 30-30 close up and in personal?

    In your very last photograph...see the screw on the right, how it sits flush, very slightly proud to the receiver? That is how it should look. The other two larger screw heads to the left, see how it appears they have a thicker, circular border around them, compared tot he one on the right? Those borders, are what we refer to as dishing, or cratering. When the receiver is polished to prep it for bluing, if the polishing gets to heavy, it will dish around the screw head holes. You don't polish a receiver, just to polish it, as that would possibly remove finish. You polish it to prepare it for finishing, and IMHO, because the bluing looks consistent over the whole receiver, I would say it looks like it was stripped and polished...but I could be wrong.

    quote:The first three digits of the serial number of the 30-30 are 256

    We need everything but the last three, or at least to know how many there are, 6 or 7 digits in the serial number.


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  • bullshot
    My 444 is walnut stocked with a 20" barrel, it's the "big Bore" 444 and not the "Timber Carbine". Barrel is not ported.

    These photos of the pre 64 30-30 are all I have at the moment as the owner is currently out of town.
    Could you give me more details regarding what leads you to think it's been refinished (the wood looks proud to me but I'm no expert).

    What do you mean by the screw holes being "dished"?

    The first three digits of the serial number of the 30-30 are 256. I'm not sure that if the rifle were in my possession, that I would be able to get pictures of significantly better quality.
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  • bullshot
    Thanks, what would be the giveaway of a reblue job when I get a chance to inspect the 30-30 close up and in personal?
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  • Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by bullshot
    Thanks, what would be the giveaway of a reblue job when I get a chance to inspect the 30-30 close up and in personal?

    "Dished" means the screw holes formed slightly angled and smooth edges, sort of a "crater" or dish shape, from polishing rather than being flat and sharp as they left the factory.
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  • rufe-snow
    To me the deal looks to good to be true, from your perspective. When you do the hands-on, go over the Winchester with a fine tooth comb, looking for any indication of refinishing. If you can have a pro, either experienced dealer, or very knowledgeable collector scope it out, even better.


    In this day an age, when most every gun person is knowledgeable about the auctions. Sleepers are a thing of the past. You got to be asking yourself, about the comparable Fair Market Prices, of similar guns sold on the auctions, i.e. what is the going FMV value of a original minty condition Winchester 94, as compared to a USRA 444?
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