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  • tsr1965
    Golferboy426,

    Good morning, been a while. I have several old paper hull, full boxes, and not one so marked. I would have to believe, that chilling the shot when it is being made in the tower, does so, to harden it, so it deforms less, and has better patterning characteristics at longer ranges. Does it say what shot size or load equivilant on the cartridge?

    The majority of the stuff I have is 16 gauge, and some is 2 1/2, for the 2 6/16 chambered guns. While I do have some that have #8 square(cubed) shot, that tries to spread shot faster out of tight chokes, None of it is marked CS.

    Hope to be able to find an answer for you.

    Best

    EDIT 1

    quote:Chilled Shot.

    golferboy426 - Asking a minimum of $50 for something that even you do not know what it is seems kinda odd to me. Why not lift the top wad and see what it is?

    If I were to bid $50 and win it, only to find out it was #7 shot, would you refund the $50 plus shipping?

    JMHO

    Ray

    If he list it not knowing what it is, he also stands the potential to loose big time on it. If one bids an exhuberant amount on it, not knowing what exactly it is, then that just shows one really wanted to find out what it was...and of course the lack of any trump cards in ones hand.

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    EDIT 2

    quote:If you have already placed this specimen up for auction and you are making the claim it is "rare and unusual" then you have the cart before the horse because you have no authoritative basis or authentication as to why it is either rare or unusual.

    You guys need to be more about the question asked, instead of the credibility, and intentions of the seller. The seller is just trying to be honest, and is a very well known, and liked seller. In case you have not noticed, about 90+% of all of his auctions have been ammo. There are several seller's on herre who will list an item, and put a huge price on it, so it does not go anywhere, then come here and ask a question, with a link to the auction being posted with it.

    So based on that, and the amount of collectable ammo he has seen, I would dare say, if he has not seen one like this, it would make it stand out. I would also say, based on the amount of ammunition he has handled, and I have been following his auctions for a while, that he has the authority to know when he has not seen something specific like this.

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    EDIT 3

    quote:The auction currently and definitively states the specimen is rare and unusual. Yet the seller is on this forum searching for a definitive reason of why it is rare and nobody on this forum knows as of yet why it is rare. My advice was good advice and just advice.

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    Rare is a difinative term, meaning scarce, not many made, or however one wishes to define it. Rare is even how some of us like steak. Rare is a description...collectability combines rare/scarce, and value.
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  • heavyiron
    I have lots of old shotshells and have never seen any with just "C.S." on the shot card.

    If you have already placed this specimen up for auction and you are making the claim it is "rare and unusual" then you have the cart before the horse because you have no authoritative basis or authentication as to why it is either rare or unusual. I would guess a potential bidder has already asked you this question and you don't know the answer. How do you know it isn't a fake? There are a number of well known fakes which are known to cartridge collectors. I would never bid on an auction where the seller couldn't tell me why a paper shotshell (especially a paper shotshell) was really rare and worth $50.00.

    I have scanned the paper shotshell price list (which includes the really rare and scarce collectible shotshells) published by the International Ammunition Association and they don't list this shotshell. Some of the paper shotshells on this list sell for prices up to $300.00 and represent some of the most desirable collector speciments. If you do have a real rarity or scarce example you may be giving it away for $50.00.

    My advice is to stop your auction and contact the International Ammunition Association. Post good photos of your shotshell and ask them to ID on their forum for you. If they can authenticate your shotshell and give you some background then relist your item for auction. If they cannot give you that information then I would suspect you have a fake or a homemade reload.

    http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/

    Best,

    Heavyiron

    TSR1965,

    Respectfully, no we don't - we can state opinion and offer advice as well. I am sure the seller is honest and a decent human being. If he knows about collectable cartridges he should know that one of the best forums to find provenance for a collectable cartridge is with one of the experts in the International Ammunition Association and another might be at http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm. I apologize if I offended you and/or your associate, but I do have a right to an opinion and implied nor stated no wrong doing.

    I do not know why this shotshell is rare because I am not an expert and that is the name of this forum - "Ask the Experts" but nobody knows. I don't know if the shotshell is rare because there is no photo of the headstamp which may or not be important. The only unusual thing about it is the top wad designation.

    In terms of cartridge collecting "rare" and "scarce" have certain connotations. For example VRS stands for very rare specimen or only a few known to exist. There are so few specimens that a price cannot be fixed because enough have not been bought or sold to establish a price. All too often and especially for cartridge auctions the term "rare" is used when there is nothing rare about the specimen.

    The auction currently and definitively states the specimen is rare and unusual. Yet the seller is on this forum searching for a definitive reason of why it is rare and nobody on this forum knows as of yet why it is rare. My advice was good advice and only advice.

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  • babun
    Try emailing these guys.

    http://ammo-one.com/
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  • Tailgunner1954
    quote:Originally posted by babun
    Try emailing these guys.

    http://ammo-one.com/


    I like Dave (owner of Ammo-One), but shotshells are not his "thing".
    Even among cartridge collectors, shotshell collectors are a rare breed.
    The suggestion about asking on the cartridge collectors forum ( http://iaaforum.org/forum3/index.php ) is a good one.
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  • golferboy426
    A response from the International cartridge forum:

    The full name of this cartridge is "Wingert's Controlled-Spread Buckshot Load", it is loaded with stringed buckshot and was also made in 16 and 20 ga.
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  • charliemeyer007
    Thanks for posting the answer. So I'm guessing this some sort of modification to the chain shot design as used against sails and rigging. In todays world it will (C)ounter Drone(S)
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