gold cup trophy vs national match
I don't know a thing about these two colt pistols. I don't own any type of 1911 for that matter. But sure am thinking about it. My question is what is the difference between the trophy and national match models? I shoot skeet and last fall did a couple of idpa type matches and loved it. So now I'm thinking of getting the gear to do this type of shooting.
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Colt made different generations of Nation Match pistols, starting in the 1930's. Needless to say they were high quality target pistols. Specifically for Bullseye shooting.
They continued making National Match Guns after W W II. In different variations and generations. As far as I'm concerned, the quality has deteriorated over the years.
These fancy names have just become marketing ploys over the years. You will wind up paying big bucks for the Colt name. On their guns with fancy grandiose names, with no real advantage over guns made by other manufacturers.
At this point in time. Everybody and their brother are making 1911's. Go around checking with the different shooters, to see what they are using. Don't fixate on a Colt, with a grandiose name. The name on the pistol doesn't win matches. It's the guy pulling the trigger.0 -
You should wait for or ask perry shooter his opinion. I always thought that those production guns listed still need work to make them "good" shooter's. 0 -
Hello The 1911 in my opinion is a very good platform for most any kind of shooting you want to do with a pistol . as far as models go Rufe-snow and Charliemeyer both gave accurate information. Basicly you want a pistol with adjustable sights if you are looking for the Bulls-Eye type pistol Idpa you need sights that are easy to see As to names of models No one builds the perfect pistol for every type of match shooting . IMHO the series 70 Gold Cup comes close. All the items like Beavertail grip safety and a safety you can work from both sides plus NIGHT sights are just BLING and does not make you a better shooter. I would also suggest a FULL size 1911 The smaller the model the more likely you will have function problems when you first start.
Have fun and "PRAISE THE HAD BALL GUN"
If you want too Try different types Come see me I will let you try most of these
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EDITYes they are Gilmore red dot sights One is a 32 MM "FIRST MODEL THEY MADE " It is the best red dot I have ever owned
Focus is 50 yards most red dots are much closer about 30 feet so Target and dot are mot in focus at both the dot and target at sme time. This model has over 200,000 rounds out the gun slide mounted Never repaired except one ring that holes the battery with about 12 small fingers . Note it has 3 rings It started bending this first model ring after 50,000 rounds or so so Gilmore made me another ring and I epoxied all three to the scope When it dies I am going to cry.0 -
While I do agree with most everythng said above, I wil add a little more to this...
While a 1911/1911A1, is an excellent platform, not all 1911's are created equall, even from withing each different manufacturer's own line up.
I have a series 70 National Match Gold Cup, NIB. Even though it is unfired, I can tell you that it is a lot more gun than my 2 year old Gold Cup Trophy.
For your IPDA competitions, you will want something with fast sight aquisition, that is accurate, and with a consistant grasp(read as beavertail grip safety w/memory bump), and trigger pull.
There are several oout there to choose from, and not all of them say Colt, but I would shy away from the lower end models, like the ATI, and ARMSCOR/RIA, as they have different style dovetails for adding sights.
Ones to look for are Para USA, Springfield, Kimber, Colt, and STI.
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Perryshooter,
Those four are wearing Gilmore sights? Is that what those sights are is the old Gilmore?Nice collection, Karl!
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Assuming you are looking talking about current production Colts, you may see on the Colt www site that the Gold Cup Trophy is stainless steel and has a beavertail grip safety.
The Gold Cup National Match is blue and has a regular GI grip safety.
If you want to shoot the stock gun and not form a close relationship with a gunsmith, I would get the Trophy for its beavertail. My gunsmith says, "if the factory will do it, let the factory do it.
There have been a lot of variations over the years and you might find some different details under the same names.0 -
That's all very good advice and I do appreciate it.I have wasted lots of money on shotguns buying cheaper ones and would have saved money by buying a better one and been happier with it also. Just as I thought then, find out from the contestants what they like and what ones work good out the box and mostly what ones go 10,000 rds. with minimal failures. Thank you again guys, I knew I could on you. 0 -
This list is very good. I have been shooting IDPA since the beginning and USPSA for years before that.
I have a Kimber custom target with over 10,000rds through it and a Springfield with about the same that are still tight.
Go to a shop and handle many as you can, then make your choice [;)]0 -
I can't tell you anything relevant about the differences between the two pistols you mentioned, but I will tell you something I've learned the hard way from competition.
If you're not the best shooter on any given day, that's OK. . .its going to happen.
But perhaps the most frustrating/annoying thing in the world of competition is coming into some kind of "open" match, bringing your "A" game, shooting your best, and then having someone come in with BETTER EQUIPMENT, to beat you by a narrow margin.
You just do not want to spend the time, money, physical effort, and emotional investment, etc in competition, just to feel like it was someone else's GUN that beat yours (let alone a serious equipment failure). So always bring the best equipment you're allowed to. You don't necessarily need to bring the EXACT same equipment as everyone else (personal preference does play a role here), but you want something at least on the same level in terms of quality so that equipment quality/function isn't determinative.
For a 1911, there is more than one way to "get there", but you want something tuned to high accuracy, with match trigger, sights YOU LIKE, and grip YOU like (within the limits of what the rules permit, of course). Also, for any new competitor, it well may take a bunch of actual rounds put downrange and different guns tries before you discover what actually works for you.
For example, grip safeties are just one of those things that are idiosyncratic and partly dependent on individual anatomy. The exact style/model that works for me there may not work for you, and vice versa, and its not unreasonable to try different things over time to see what works best for you. Ditto for sights.0 -
Boy, this all good stuff,thanks again. I'll keep looking, asking, and handling. 0 -
If it is not too late, you may want to consider the Sig 1911. I have a Series 70 Gold Cup and for some reason the Sig fits and for me shoots better.
Try as many as you can before deciding.0
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