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M1 carbine question

asop
The Inland parts kit from the gunshow is now mated with the Iver Johnson receiver and I went through a whole mag today without a hitch.
But I do have a question. The receiver is marked:

Iver Johnson
N J

According to BlueBook (and some other pubs), IJ did not produce a M1 carbine until 1985. Yet this receiver is marked for New Jersey and IJ only manufactured there from '75-'82.

Can anyone explain this obvious descrepancy (other than the reference pubs are AFU)?.
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  • asop
    I just bought a Carbine and it is my first rifle so you'll have ot bear with me if my question sounds silly. I want to take it to the range this weekend, but I'm having trouble finding out which parts I need to grease/oil to guarantee it functions properly. Even though I'm new to all of this, I would rather know how ot do it than pay someone to do something so simple for me. As of right now it was just cleaned so nothing is greased. If someone could refer me to a site or give me a detailed step by step process it would help me out a lot. Also if you reccommend any types of oil or grease or have any other tips I'd be more than happy to hear. Thanks a lot!

    Andrew
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  • p3skyking
    At this point in time ANY unmolested original GI carbine that's never been through a rehab qualifies as collector.
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  • mark christian
    6 million were produced with Inland being the most common maker while Irwin-Pedersen is the rarist. Nearly all Carbines went through a rebuild at one point in time so finding an unmodfied or updated Carbine is very difficult and since parts were provided by numerous sub contractors just trying to figure out exactly what is "correct" and what was added later takes some serious study. Imported carbines are common but since Carbines are no longer available from the CMP an import marked Carbine does not carry quite the same stigma as an import marked M1 Rifle (Garand). There are commercial carbines out there with Universal and Iver Johnson most often seen. These two makes have spotty reputation for quality, especially during late production and many suggest avoiding them. A commercial carbine will be valued below an import marked carbine in nearly every case and valued well below any non import carbine.
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  • nmyers
    Even the experts sometimes find it difficult to tell what is a "collector", & what has been "humped".

    Until you get a lot more knowledge & experience, it would best to look for:
    1) a friend who is an expert, or
    2) a good website, such as: http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=110 , or
    3) a US arsenal rebuild with CMP documentation

    Neal
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  • Hollywood
    Spend some money on a couple of volumes of "War Baby" by Larry Ruth first. Then chase after a collectible.[;)]
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by asop
    I realize this question may be to wide in perimeters, but I've always wanted to have a "collector" M1 carbine. So many are listed with many variations so if it is feasible to reply I'd appreciate it.


    After you do some reading I would say settle on what you like in the condition you like. I happen to like the early version and got an October 1943 made Inland with no import mark and all early configuration - flip rear sight, push button safety and skinny barrel band. No scratches, no dents, oily & dark. The Inland is common and I doubt this one ranks high in "collectibility" but it's hard to find and the condition tough to beat.
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  • gary wray
    Keep you eye out for gun auctions in your area as many good guns are coming up for sale as collectors families are unloading them at auctions. Rock Island Auctions sells a bunch. If I was looking for one carbine as a "collectible" I would like for one from a collections developed years ago and now for sale as mentioned. If you go to a local gunshop let them know that you are on the hunt as lots of stuff comes in for sale there. If you are proactive and persistent, and are prepared to pay, you will find what you what. As others have said, lots were made and most went through the rebuild process. Do your study and prepare your eye to know what to look for....study the carbine so you don't get fooled. I have several and have one close to one of my doors as a "goto" if necessary as the little guy is one powerful shooter for close range work....one reason why our guys like them so much. Good luck on your hunt[:)]
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  • gary wray
    Keep you eye out for gun auctions in your area as many good guns are coming up for sale as collectors families are unloading them at auctions. Rock Island Auctions sells a bunch. If I was looking for one carbine as a "collectible" I would like for one from a collections developed years ago and now for sale as mentioned. If you go to a local gunshop let them know that you are on the hunt as lots of stuff comes in for sale there. If you are proactive and persistent, and are prepared to pay, you will find what you what. As others have said, lots were made and most went through the rebuild process. Do your study and prepare your eye to know what to look for....study the carbine so you don't get fooled. I have several and have one close to one of my doors as a "goto" if necessary as the little guy is one powerful shooter for close range work....one reason why our guys like them so much. Good luck on your hunt[:)]
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