glock 32 recoil
Got my first glock yesterday and im looking to upgrade my spring. Trying to get less recoil to improve time between shots. Ive ordered a buffer but im not sure what spring I should go with. .Please dont recommend a different gun I did my research and the .357sig is what I want and so far im very happy with the gun. Thanks
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The .357 Sigs are hot loads. For the same bullet weight as the 9mm. The .357 Sig will have a muzzle velocity, of 200/300 faster FPS.
I doubt any different recoil spring. In a light short barrel pistol like the G 32, will make any appreciable difference.
The standard answer to your question about lighter recoil is to go to a lighter bullet. In 9mm ammo, bullets as light as 90 grains have been available. As far as i know? No commercial source sells loaded ammo lighter than 115 grains for the .357 SIG. You're either going to load your own, or pay a custom loader for light bullet loads in .357 Sig.0 -
And, if you reload, you are forced to ignore Glock's requirement that you fire only factory jacketed ammo. You can do so, but at your own risk.
Even if you load lighter loads, you would then need to find the appropriate recoil spring set; altering Glock's double helix recoil spring is something you may find quite difficult.
Plus, you have to compensate for the engineering design of the Glock that utilizes frame flex for reliable function. "Limp wrist" a few rounds, & you should be able to observe the results.
I understand what you are looking for. I saw a video of an air marshal who was able to hit multiple targets quickly, & with little apparent recoil. It wasn't clear what gun he used, & FLEA's are generally not anxious to share loading & modification information with the general public. I think you have a lot of engineering problems to overcome, doing it on your own.
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You have purchased the lightest perceived recoil pistol(or model from a family of pistols) on the market. It is a common trait of all Glock handguns. Another, well known, by most of the canny. The barrel is situated lower than any other, so it gives less muzzle flip than most all of the other's. Your situation, is not fixable by changing a spring. It is practicing your shooting form, and practicing controlling your weapon. There is only one way to do that...shoot it!
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Like mentioned already, the best way to combat the recoil is practice and familiarity.
Another option is to shoot the lightest, slowest moving factory round you can. Practice and become efficient with that and then slowly work your way up to full power .357 Sig loads.
Fine tuning the spring weight on the guide rod will help with the recoil slightly, as will investing in a steel or tungsten guide rods. In your case the tungsten guide rod would help. The little bit of added weight in front of the gun with help tame the muzzle flip a bit.
I am sure some will argue the above, but I have done a lot of shooting and fine tuning on Glock pistols lately. The Glock 20 & 29 10mm's, Glock 21 & 36 .45's and so on. I have different guide rods and spring weights in all of them. The tungsten guide rod and 20 lb. recoil spring I put in my Glock 20 surprised the heck out of me. I was even skeptical at first, but we shot it side by side with my dad's Glock 20......same gun, same ammo, heavier spring weight and tungsten guide rod in mine and factory spring weight and steel guide rod in my dad's. Recoil was less enough that we both felt it. [;)]
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Shoot Hornady Critical Defense 115 grain loads and the recoil is nothing. I couldn't believe how light they were in my G32. You can go with a tungsten rod & spring set from glockstore.com but you might try lighter loads first. Double Tap does make a 90 grain load but I have not tried it yet. Currently 147 grain XTP's are in mine. 0 -
Responding to above:
-357 SIG is ballistically nearly identical to .40SW loaded with lightweight bullets, and somewhat more powerful than the best 9mm+P (though not tremendously so). EG: Speer Gold dot 9mm+P 124 grain yields 1220 fps, Speer Gold Dot 357 SIG 125 grain yields 1375 fps. That's 13% more velocity and about 25% more energy.
-IMO, all steel CZ-75 (which also has a low bore axis due to the slide inside frame rail design) offers lower recoil than lightweight plastic Glock with the same ammo. . .but that wasn't the question.
-To answer the actual question, there are two components to recoil. There is the physical reaction of the gun to the shot (you might call this "mechanical" recoil), and then there is the subjective sensation of recoil experienced by the shooter (you might call this "perceived recoil").
To reduce MECHANICAL recoil, you can decrease the power of your load (ie shoot reduced velocity bullets). If you want 9mm luger like recoil, you can choose 9mm luger-like 357 SIG loads. The problem there, of course, is that you'll also getting 9mm luger like performance. IMO, that's still plenty (see above), but it sort of defeats the whole purpose of the 357 SIG. (IE you'll be paying for 357 loads to get 9mm performance out of a lower capacity 357/40SW platform gun).
You can also increase the mass of the gun. Adding weight up front will reduce rearward recoil AND reduce muzzle flip, for a dual benefit. Adding a weighted guide rod is one way to do this, but you could also just hang some gizmo (like a light/laser or such) off the under barrel accessory rail for the same effect. Increased tension (pound weight) recoil spring doesn't really alter the physics of the shot, but it can potentially reduce the rearward battery of the slide into the frame, reducing "jarring" and the perception of recoil there.
Adding porting or a compensator will also reduce mechanical recoil and muzzle flip by venting gas forward, but these things add cost, noise, and significantly increase muzzle FLASH.
To reduce PERCEIVED recoil, you can use better shooting technique (try front-back squeeze with shooting hand, and side-to-side squeeze with support hand). You can wear shooting gloves (usually only done with hunting/magnum type pistols). You can fiddle with gun grip configuration to ensure best possible fit of gun to your hand. With a Glock this can be done with grip sleeves, or if you have a Gen 4 Glock, by adjusting the grip insert. You can also just practice with the gun until you become more accustomed to the recoil!
Edit, responding to above:
quote:Shoot Hornady Critical Defense 115 grain loads and the recoil is nothing
Those put out a 115 grain bullet at 1235 fps. In other words, they're just a little bit more powerful than conventional (ie NON "+P", practice-type) 115 grain 9mm luger ammo which gets about 1150 fps, and actually *LESS* powerful than the premium Speer Gold dot 124 grain 9mm+P ammo mentioned above.
As a basis for comparison, the Corbon 115 Grain 9mm+P ammo yields 1350 fps and the Corbon 115 Grain 357 SIG gives 1500 fps. Note that the Corbon 9mm+P is nearly as good as most of the "normal" commercial 357 SIG! Both of those are amongst the "hottest" commercially available loads for their respective calibers, though you'll pay for the performance with increased recoil and dollar cost per round.
The point is, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" here. If you want near-357 magnum like ballistics you're going to have to put up with near-357 magnum like recoil.
The Hornady "Critical Defense" 115 grain 357 SIG ammo gives you 9mm-like recoil, because it gives you 9mm luger-like ballistics. Again, if that's what you're after, you might as well just get a 9mm Luger conversion barrel for your 357 SIG pistol (or just a 9mm pistol), and enjoy the benefits of lower cost 9mm ammo and higher capacity.0 -
quote:Originally posted by stagger806
...the .357sig is what I want and so far im very happy with the gun.Except for the fact that by day two you've decided it's recoil/muzzle rise needs taming to better suit you.
Especially when dealing with the .357 SIG round, a short barrel/slide combined with one of the the lightest frames on the market isn't a good starting point if you're looking to have really rapid shot recovery.
An unavoidable truth is that along with light weight and compact size come trade-offs in shooting characteristics. No significant reduction in recoil/rise is possible if you wish to maintain this cartridge's capabilities and the pistol's reliability - which I assume is important to you.
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Wow every time I post on here I get all the bs answers. Im done with GunBroker. To the person who suggested the tungsten rod and 20pound spring thanks for the advice. Ive looked into what you said and it sounds like what I want. I already ordered the setup. And to the person who pointed out that day two I wanted to change it im guessing evey gun you buy comes set up perfect for you. I shoot great with the gun but I feel like I can improve the gun and set it up for me 0 -
quote:Originally posted by stagger806
Wow every time I post on here I get all the bs answers. Im done with GunBroker. To the person who suggested the tungsten rod and 20pound spring thanks for the advice. Ive looked into what you said and it sounds like what I want. I already ordered the setup. And to the person who pointed out that day two I wanted to change it im guessing evey gun you buy comes set up perfect for you. I shoot great with the gun but I feel like I can improve the gun and set it up for me
B.S. questions yield B.S. answers.
Have fun in other forums.0 -
quote:Originally posted by stagger806
Wow every time I post on here I get all the bs answers. Im done with GunBroker. To the person who suggested the tungsten rod and 20pound spring thanks for the advice. Ive looked into what you said and it sounds like what I want. I already ordered the setup. And to the person who pointed out that day two I wanted to change it im guessing evey gun you buy comes set up perfect for you. I shoot great with the gun but I feel like I can improve the gun and set it up for me
OK, that might be true, but with a Glock, there is very little ergonomically you can change, except on the Gen 4, you can change the grip back strap.
However, one thing you cannot change is physics. A gun with a certain load is going to have the corresponding recoil to that load. I have read ALL of the posts, and see no BS in there. I am not sure who you think you are berating the most helpful, non-specific, firearm forum on the internet, but I am sure that 100% of the answers here came from real life experience...unless of course you think you are the only one who has a Glock 32.
I shoot a Model 19, 20, and 29. I can assure you that the recoil from the 29 makes your 32 look like baby food. If you are unwilling to practice with it, to become more proficient(and that takes more than one trip and 100 rounds down range), then your problem will be an ongoing one on ANY forum, as you are a troll stuck on yourself...you even suggested that in your opening post.
My last suggestion for you, is good luck in the other forums...don't let the door hit you...but if it does, may it be a double whammy.
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