7.62x39 Herters vs Tula
I have mostly shot surplus ammo from spam cans of com bloc countries. My question is if you have a choice of either Herters or Tula, which one would you choose and why, with the rifle being an AK? Thanks...
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To be 100% honest, I would choose whichever is cheaper in your situation. Most AK's or SKS"s I have shot will eat any cheap steel case ammo up for supper without any issues. I have shot both through my Norinco SKS and besides being dirty, I have had no complaints.
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probally came out of same factory,,herters is just a name brand bought by cabelas 0 -
As already mentioned "Herters" is just Cabela's store brand.
They don't make the ammo, they just rebrand it and sell it under their own label. The different types of cartridges come from different places around the globe. Some is rebranded Sellier and Belloit.
The "Herters" 7.62x39, is all Russian made steel case. Supposedly the newer stuff has Tula headstamps. Some of the older cases have Wolf headstamps, though its the same ammo (see below).
So to answer the question, the Herters 7.62x39 is the exact same ammo as the "Tulammo" made in the same factory, just sold in boxes with different labels.
Given the choice, I'd pick whichever one was cheaper.
Assuming equal cost, I'd pick the one with the better packaging. And assuming identical packaging AND cost, I'd pick the Tula, at least that way it would be "truth in branding", so to speak.
In general, any of the Russian bloc made steel case ammo should run any AK or SKS pattern rifle just fine.
There are a few Russian factories that make the 7.62x39, though the same ammo often gets marketed under different names in the USA.
One is in Ulyanosk, and in addition to Ulyanosk branded ammo, this plant also puts out some of the Wolf, the 7.62x39 Tula and the Herters ammo. Barnaul makes the "Bear" ammo. The "Tiger" ammo is made at Vympel. I believe there is also a plant in the Ukraine that puts out some of the other Wolf branded 7.62x39 ammo.0 -
I believe Herter's is made by Sellier & Bellot, which is pretty good clean ammo. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mango tango
I believe Herter's is made by Sellier & Bellot, which is pretty good clean ammo.
Well again, Herter's ammo is just a brand name used by Cabelas.
To be clear, the steel case Herter's 7.62x39 is made in Russia, as mentioned above.
The brass cased "select grade" Herter's ammo is made by Sellier and Bellot in the Czech republic. For what its worth, some of the Winchester "White Box" ammo is also made by S&B and sold under the Winchester label.
Herter's does (or did) offer brass case 7.62x39 with softpoint bullets, and this ammo is made by S&B. Of course it costs twice as much as the military type steel case FMJ Russian ammo, but its probably one of the best choices out there if you were actually interested in hunting deer or other medium sized game with your rifle. The so called "hollowpoint" Russian steel case ammo doesn't really expand.
The military is not allowed to use expanding ammo because of the Hague convention, but for non-military this would probably make excellent "defense" type ammo, better than FMJ 7.62x39.
In general S&B actually offers a fairly nice selection of 7.62x39 brass cased ammo, in different bullet weights and styles but again, the cost is more in line with "normal" brass centerfire rifle ammo, rather than the cheap Russian steel case.0 -
Get yourself some Golden Tiger FMJ. One of the best Russian 7.62x39 rounds out there. Do some research on it.
I shot a 2" 100yd group out of a home built Romanian G AK with it a few years ago.0 -
Same stuff in my book. 0 -
Just as a side note for your information, I have a custom Mauser swede in 7.62x39 that shoots great! About 1 inch groups at 100yds with the Tula ammo. Chronographed at 2500fps. Good ammo as far as I am concerned. 0
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