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stormcrow2012
I have just got a bolt action rifle. It is marked as follows: U.S. Springfield Armory Model 1899. So it is not an 03 and not a 98. Just what the heck have I got here?

If your gonna be stupid you better be tough !!
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  • stormcrow2012
    xzjfaskl;
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  • rufe-snow
    Your photo isn't visible.
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  • stormcrow2012
    Does this work?

    https://www.dropbox.com/photos/c/zdeChJ0O3I10XVK

    Thanks
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  • charliemeyer007
    I can tell its a broken muzzle loader.

    How to post photo's link from the sticky above

    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • nord
    Given what little there is to go on...

    Proofs tell me that the gun is European. Given what little detail I can make out I suspect Belgian. Buttstock tends to confirm as it's rather thick and bulky as might be expected.

    Ramrod guide (I believe that actually is one remaining on the forestock.) would appear intended for a wooden rod. This somewhat points away from a military piece.

    Photos? Almost every important detail was omitted. Generally we ask for the following if at all possible:

    Butt to forward of lock from all angles.
    Full length side photos. (In this case not possible.)
    Lock detail and side plate detail. (Not possible here.)
    Top barrel flat if signed.
    Proofs if available.
    Muzzle detail.

    I suspect no patchbox nor ornamentation. Is there any evidence of such?

    Ignition... The breech area has either been drilled and tapped for a barrel-type percussion ignition, or has a small touch hole. I would expect to see considerable erosion in this area.

    Barrel... Thin walls or thick? (As in the difference between a shotgun and rifle.)

    Bore... Smooth or rifled?

    My guess? Fairly early percussion. Maybe flint but no evidence supplied. A utility piece most likely. Not out of the question to be a trade gun such as those supplied by Hudson Bay.

    Condition? Pieces/parts. That's about it.

    Further questions? Make a trip to Americanlingrifles.com.
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  • stormcrow2012
    OK, I've added all the photos I have. I won't have physical access to these parts until summer.

    https://www.dropbox.com/photos/c/zdeChJ0O3I10XVK

    I suspect no patchbox nor ornamentation. Is there any evidence of such?
    No, I didn't see anything like that.

    Ignition... The breech area has either been drilled and tapped for a barrel-type percussion ignition, or has a small touch hole. I would expect to see considerable erosion in this area.
    I didn't see any way to touch off any powder or any sort of breech mechanism.

    Barrel... Thin walls or thick? (As in the difference between a shotgun and rifle.)
    I'm not sure. 1/8" thick?

    Bore... Smooth or rifled?
    I don't know.

    My guess? Fairly early percussion. Maybe flint but no evidence supplied. A utility piece most likely. Not out of the question to be a trade gun such as those supplied by Hudson Bay.
    I couldn't see any flint, percussion or breech mechanism.

    Condition? Pieces/parts. That's about it.
    It's in poor condition (and that's being generous)

    Thanks.
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  • nord
    Given the added information I'll go with a trade gun. Thin barrel walls tend to confirm such as does the butt style. Quite often the barrel will transition from octagon to round. There will be no rifling as the piece could be used to toss either shot or ball. Further, a rear sight would be unusual on such a piece.

    I'm puzzled by the lack of evidence of an ignition system on the side barrel flat. If I were to guess I'd say probably a flint system. The touch hole may have been plugged for one reason or another. Usually this type of ignition system will have two cross screws holding the lock together. The stock, if in good enough condition, will bear evidence of such. Percussion ignition will usually only have one screw.

    No matter though. You have an interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing.
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  • hrf
    Unless the pics are reversed, the stock appears to be mortised for a left hand lock, which would be unusual for a single barrel.

    Are you certain the barrel and stock parts are from same gun?

    The proofmarks are not too clear but appear to be German.
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  • nord
    hrf,

    Germany had no proof laws at the time that gun was made. Fact is, Germany did not exist. Photos are really too poor to say more than has already been said.
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