M1 Carbine Paratrooper Stock: USGI or Repro?

PBking51

January 22, 2014 16:49

This is a Part II of my earlier post. I have omitted the background on the purchase...

UPDATE: I decided to take a gamble and buy the package...below are more detailed pictures I just took. Can anyone tell me if any of it is original or repro? I fit my Fed Ord. carbine in it and it fit very snug. The stock was definitely sanded which may be why theres no sign of cartouches.

Stock---Appears to have OI by mag well, I and O... 3" apart in barrel channel, RI -3 on bottom of pistol grip, Rivets marked 7-4, Wire stock is hollow, Part number on buttplate












Padded Hip Case-- Marked "US" on outside flap and "Atlas Awning 1943" along with a number inside flap




Mag Pouch




Original Pictures from Seller









I'm thinking if its the real McCoy, its the 2nd variation, which may explain the low wood, absence of a (P) on the stock, the 7/4 on the rivets. But this is going off of what I've researched online. One of the Mags had "KI" on it, and the other said "AI" (which is know is inland). The scabbard says US on the outside flap and some canvas company on the inside of the flap. The stock functions as it should and has no damage. There is no handguard in this package.

Pages I have relied on for most pertinent information.

http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=15866,DATABASE=objects

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/35353/M1-Carbine-Paratrooper-authentication-help-needed-ASAP#.Ut9DiV4o7H2

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  PBking51

  January 22, 2014 16:57

  FIXED PICTURES...Is any of this genuine?

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  perry shooter

  January 22, 2014 17:37

  I most likely should not even post because I am out of my league when it come to this specialized Items . BUT it looks original albeit cleaned up to look better condition.
  
  EDIT YES BUT SEA SALT ONLY[;)] second opinions are always a good Idea

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  PBking51

  January 22, 2014 18:30

  That's slightly reassuring, but are you saying should I take your response with a grain of salt? [:p]

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  p3skyking

  January 23, 2014 02:42

  Rivets should be steel and the buttplate is wrong. Repro.

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  nmyers

  January 23, 2014 04:13

  I concur with skyking: repro.
  
  But, so what? Your Fed Ord is a repro, too.
  
  Neal

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  gary wray

  January 23, 2014 05:55

  pbking51......kudos for your excellent photos! I can't speak to the stock and such but other guys think at least one is a repro. So it is, at the very least you are going to have a nice Carbine setup and perhaps this will get you to start to study what you got and become a "Carbine Expert" which is kinda nice as the little US Carbine doesn't get enough love IMO....for what it was, it was the real deal and our guys loved it for what it did in its "sweetspot" under 100yds or so....and how light it was compared to the Garand. Even today I like it for its selfdefense capability for the same reason....hotter than most pistol rounds even today....and I keep my Inland close by as one of my "goto" weapons just in case, with a 30rd ready to rock and roll. As to the Atlas Awning hipholster.....the dates look right, I like the look but if the other stuff is repro'ed it most likely is also. Atlas was for sure one of the 15 or so makers as you will find if you do the study, but it just looks too good to me but I would have to have it in my hand to really see. Heck, it might be the real deal and the only part of the "kit" that is....just hard to tell. If so, it alone is worth two times what you paid for the entire set! Anyway, congrats and welcome to the wonderful US Carbine game[:)]

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  PBking51

  January 23, 2014 07:04

  From what ive read from the springfield armory museum, is that the rivets were also made in brass and the rivets are the ones said to be used on later models when break rivets were used. I agree with the butt plate, but i have yet to see a repro with a reinforcement by mag well and hollow pieces of metal used for the stock. I bought it assuming it was repro so If it is, so be it, but theres alot of characteristics of usgi than of reproduction stocks

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  TANK78Z

  January 23, 2014 07:43

  Blackened BRASS rivets were used on early folders , the butt plate does look wrong, and I seem to recall that many years ago parts of the originol stocks were being used to create "new" ones , so you might have one of these mongrels .
  As we have some differing "opinions" on your stock please click on the below url as it should answer some of your questions on the folding stock with references and photos from a book about these.
  
  http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/35353/M1-Carbine-Paratrooper-authentication-help-needed-ASAP#.UuFQtv30DCM

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  thorhammer

  January 23, 2014 07:51

  You have an original WWII M1A1 stock. The main wood has been heavily
  sanded and refinished all cartouches have been removed. My conclusion
  is based on a few remaining details.....the pistol grip is stamped
  RI for Richardson-Inland, correct. The butt plate was sand cast with
  the numbers B257614, also correct as repo's omit that number or stamp
  it. The rivets holding the russet aged leather cheek piece are brass
  with the blacking worn off, also correct. Later wire stocks were
  produced with parkerized steel rivets.
  The inside of the stock has the correct stamp P, and because of lack of
  pictures there should be an OI for Overland-Inland stamped farther down.
  
  I have no idea of value, which was hurt from the heavily refinished
  stock, but does have considerable collector value as only 140,000
  were produced.

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  PBking51

  January 23, 2014 08:40

  Thorhammer, can you tell is the canvas goods are genuine as well?

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