Looks like a sad day in history for wa gun rights
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Yes it does. Not even close. 0 -
That school shooting sealed 594's fate. Thankfully whoever wins Yakima County Sheriff will not enforce it..both candidates said they wouldn't. .as did the new DA. 594 will do nothing to prevent crime. Say goodbye to Facebook & Northwest firearms trading pages except for ammo unless you want use a FFL. The recall efforts should start but doubt they would unseat many in King County. 0 -
Proof positive you can buy an election result. What a pitiful pathetic lot.[xx(] 0 -
I predict some costly legal battles ahead. 0 -
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.
A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.0 -
I should retitle my thread because it really is a loss for personal freedom. Not being able to privately sell personal goods. The precedent it sets is disturbing. And to think it was all predicated on a perpetrated myth of a nonexistent loophole. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.
A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.
Amen to that!0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.
A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.
Amen to that!
don't you live in the blast zone?0 -
The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
W.D.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I predict some costly legal battles ahead.
I hope so, but I'd much rather see all the anti's die and go straight to hell.
A lahar from Rainier would do the trick.
Amen to that!
don't you live in the blast zone?
I do and it's hard to tell who's who. Some people have a strong southern drawl like me, some wear cowboy boots and hats and look the part, but aside from stuff like that it's hard to pick out the first class citizens.0 -
My point was that the lahar would wipe out the problem. As would a SuperVolcano suddenly erupting in the Minneapolis area. 0 -
I didn't miss that Captain! [:D] 0 -
I would say with the new law any gun show before it takes hold will be a sellers market ,Its sad it had to happen with the law that's causing it but I imagine there will be a big rush to get under the wire with what ever that can grab , do not blame the folks just a sad fact when people are about to loose a freedom .
quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
W.D.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
My point was that the lahar would wipe out the problem. As would a SuperVolcano suddenly erupting in the Minneapolis area.
The point didn't escape me. The problem is the appreach is too indiscriminate. There are pockets of valuable conservatism that would unnecessarily be eliminated. The SAF, for example, is in Bellevue. Much of the peninsula is conservative, as is east Redmond and the Snoqualmie river valley and north of there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
The Cascade Sportsman's Club semi monthly gun show will be a thing of the past. We've got a show coming up the first Saturday of December, I don't know when the law takes effect, but, I imagine that will be the last one. It's a shame, we donate around $2,500 a year to the local food bank, plus hundreds of pounds of food. We donate all the door proceeds.
The longer I live, the more I dislike liberal politics.[:(]
W.D.
Nobody there at all that's an FFL? I know it sucks to have to use one but it's either that or have to drive 100 miles to a WAC show? Btw I still cannot find out if this law will have any bearing on pre 1898 guns.0 -
Gotta love the "we gotta pass it to find out what's in it" mentality of its proponents.[xx(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Proof positive you can buy an election result. What a pitiful pathetic lot.[xx(]
You don't believe that $100,000,000 was spent on a Carolina Senate seat out of a burning desire to serve the public? It has always been about power, the only thing changing is what it costs to buy politicians.0 -
Sad day is right, but ultimately effects me not, because I'm out. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
How would the Gestapo know?0 -
W. D.,
Why not just move your show 20 minutes south?0 -
The entire left coast is going socialist taking the rest of the state with it. I can foresee a state income tax coming in the near future. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony* to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.
*EDIT: just re-read the measure to check that fact. It is only a gross misdemeanor for the first offense, felony for a subsequent offense.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.
loans for sporting activities would cover the two buddies shooting.......0 -
quote:Originally posted by hillbille
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.
loans for sporting activities would cover the two buddies shooting.......
yes, if that were an actual exception. The website info is from proponents of the measure and they have been blatantly lying about what it actually says.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.
Does the bill require 100% registration? If not how are they going to know who owns what?0 -
quote:Originally posted by EhlerDave
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Just to give folks some idea, now we won't be able to loan a family member a gun to hunt with unless you go through an ffl.
According to this website, that's an exception to the law unless it was changed.
http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/
Reasonable Exceptions - background checks are not required for:
Gifts between immediate family members
Antiques and relics
Temporary transfers for self-defense
Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities
terms are not well defined in it. But for example, I frequently hunt with my brother in law... not immediate family. What's more. Say two buddy's go shooting. It will be a Felony to shoot your friends pistol, unless you go through an ffl for the transfer prior. And then back again when you hand it back.
Does the bill require 100% registration? If not how are they going to know who owns what?
It does not, but if you want to sell your personal goods, how would you go about it? Are you going to advertise? Risk a yard sale?0 -
This is the Bloomberg supported model law. I don't like it a bit.
But here in Colorado, the majority of county sheriffs have said they will not enforce it.
To my knowledge, there have been no prosecutions. And very few reported private transfers.
But it certainly messes with gun rights.... for example, there are hunting exceptions for relatives but not for other back country activities. Can't lend a gun to a hiker or cross country, or ATV rider entering bear, lion, or marajuana grow country!
Also the exceptions apply to official ranges and events.... but a heck of a lot of shooting is done in just plain rural settings.
We have also had incidences where no local FFLs would perform the private BGCs....recently reported in Fort Collins.
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I am making this edit to add a link written on the Wash Arms Collector site. Quite revealing. Some of this got passed in Colorado too.
https://washingtonarmscollectors.org/reference/myths-initiative-594/0
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