...if Lincoln had lost.
...would he be the Hero as he is portrayed today? What if Lee had been victorious at Gettysburg? What do you think he would historically be written about.?? Not looking for a fight about the war,but would like a good sound response...Thanks...
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The South did not embrace the Jews....it was embraced by the Jews. The Jew carpetbaggers that invaded the South caused so much trouble that Grant had them banned from his area of responsibility. Do a little reading up on Grant and the Jews. While you're at it...read up on George Washington and the Jews, Ben Franklin and the Jews and Thomas Jefferson and the Jews. Our founders knew them for what they were. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Mr. Gary Ray: Professor of revisited history....I am a son of a Confederate Veteran. My great Grand Father fought for the Southern Cause. 46th Mississippi...I know my history,you just read victor scripts...The North attacked the South when they garrisoned Fort Sumter. Your back ground has nothing to do with the facts...Lincoln was not a friend of slaves,he used the slavery issue to encourage more Union members to back him in his war of Aggression...He killed as many of you as he did of us!His tyranny is still felt today with the Federal Laws that keep the states in shackles...You really need to look at the true story rather than some one on the winning sides ideas of history.I don't know where you live,but I'm glad its not next door to me.
First, to you it is Dr. Wray. Second, if we are comparing "bonafides" my ancestor, and the mother of my greatgrandmother, was Julia Peterson (do some research on Lt Gen Jubal Early and find out who she was) so I think I am solid in that area. I deal in CW facts, not fiction, and find it useless to debate folks like you who "wave the bloody flag" and are still fighting the War....from the side that lost. I actually live in one of the states that did not vote for Lincoln in either 1860 or 1864 and was one of the last states to do away with slavery or segregated schools. Again, just recommend that you do some basic research....perhaps by starting with the 128v War of the Rebellion (or called the OR) which is where all true students of the War begin...CW 101. Most libraries have copies and much is on line. And check out the lectures on AH3...you might learn something! And, BTW, you started this thread and now you are in what you said you didn't want "...a fight about the war." And you are getting some good sound responses that you evidently can't deal with....but easily corrected with some study on your part.
Dr. of what? Medical? All your doing is reciting an American History book, not real history as written by the world. Gary, I don't recognize theatrical Drs....you have your thoughts and I have mine, paid by my ancestors...Don't try talking down to me, I don't respect anyone who taught his supposed accomplishment ..I deal everyday with people like you, and most need to display their intelligence on a political forum....Go back to your knowledge based facts and have them for dinner...History was written on the battlefield...you ever been on one?...This is not some fictional facts written by the victors...I really thought more of you before your post about how intelligent you are...Dr., please forgive me for not taking your notes...LOL![:D][:D] Could you be Dr Pepper?0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Mr. Gary Ray: Professor of revisited history....I am a son of a Confederate Veteran. My great Grand Father fought for the Southern Cause. 46th Mississippi...I know my history,you just read victor scripts...The North attacked the South when they garrisoned Fort Sumter. Your back ground has nothing to do with the facts...Lincoln was not a friend of slaves,he used the slavery issue to encourage more Union members to back him in his war of Aggression...He killed as many of you as he did of us!His tyranny is still felt today with the Federal Laws that keep the states in shackles...You really need to look at the true story rather than some one on the winning sides ideas of history.I don't know where you live,but I'm glad its not next door to me.
First, to you it is Dr. Wray. Second, if we are comparing "bonafides" my ancestor, and the mother of my greatgrandmother, was Julia Peterson (do some research on Lt Gen Jubal Early and find out who she was) so I think I am solid in that area. I deal in CW facts, not fiction, and find it useless to debate folks like you who "wave the bloody flag" and are still fighting the War....from the side that lost. I actually live in one of the states that did not vote for Lincoln in either 1860 or 1864 and was one of the last states to do away with slavery or segregated schools. Again, just recommend that you do some basic research....perhaps by starting with the 128v War of the Rebellion (or called the OR) which is where all true students of the War begin...CW 101. Most libraries have copies and much is on line. And check out the lectures on AH3...you might learn something! And, BTW, you started this thread and now you are in what you said you didn't want "...a fight about the war." And you are getting some good sound responses that you evidently can't deal with....but easily corrected with some study on your part.
Dr. of what? Medical? All your doing is reciting an American History book, not real history as written by the world. Gary, I don't recognize theatrical Drs....you have your thoughts and I have mine, paid by my ancestors...Don't try talking down to me, I don't respect anyone who taught his supposed accomplishment ..I deal everyday with people like you, and most need to display their intelligence on a political forum....Go back to your knowledge based facts and have them for dinner...History was written on the battlefield...you ever been on one?...This is not some fictional facts written by the victors...I really thought more of you before your post about how intelligent you are...Dr., please forgive me for not taking your notes...LOL![:D][:D] Could you be Dr Pepper?
pwillie......as my 11yo grandaughter Abbey says........"Whatever!" Don't take it personal but you just need to bone up on your Civil War facts. Facts are important things to historians and are basic when these discussions come up. Enough said[;)]0 -
Gary,you need to come to your local SCV meeting and get the facts.....Help is on the way! LOL! 
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Gary,you need to come to your local SCV meeting and get the facts.....Help is on the way! LOL!
pwillie..actually you would be surprised at several facts: 1) We have one in our state 2) I have attended their meetings and 3) one of my previous AmHis students is one of the founders! Seriously, you might think about finding out about a Civil War Roundtable in your area and start to attend the meetings.....don't take it personal as knowledge is a great thing![:)] As you have probably learned from another thread, my family is from deep in the Shenandoah Valley so my Reb roots are also deep but I also am a trained historian and facts are important to me as is gaining more knowledge of the Civil War.0 -
Do you know what I posted?.... 46th Mississippi !Ist Flag....Great Grand Father was taken prisoner in 1865 , Blakely Battlefield..I've been living this history since birth.I have most likely read more books on the War of Northern Aggression than you have in your library..Shelby Foote was probably the best historian of the war..Thanks for your concern of my mentality , and my understanding of revisionist history...I'm sure your well meaning post is in lecture form, which means you are placating me.I am from The Deep South ,no revision in our lessons , my grand mother told me the stories of her father being captured by Union Troops.Help the Cause,stop lecturing revisionist history.. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Do you know what I posted?.... 46th Mississippi !Ist Flag....Great Grand Father was taken prisoner in 1865 , Blakely Battlefield..I've been living this history since birth.I have most likely read more books on the War of Northern Aggression than you have in your library..Shelby Foote was probably the best historian of the war..Thanks for your concern of my mentality , and my understanding of revisionist history...I'm sure your well meaning post is in lecture form, which means you are placating me.I am from The Deep South ,no revision in our lessons , my grand mother told me the stories of her father being captured by Union Troops.Help the Cause,stop lecturing revisionist history..
pwillie....first, yes I knew what you posted. Second, I doubt it but are you understanding what you are reading? Particularly the "facts" part? Third, the late Shelby Foote is in my Civil War Library and he certainly was a good (and interesting) writer on the War....and very good actually on Ken Burn's Civil War video series on the CW. I placate nobody but rather do Civil War History both personally and professionally and am just sharing with you over 50 years of study and work....that you consider it "revisionist" well, is about you and not about the facts. And one of my students who's ancestor (like yours) fought for the South worked really hard in our area to form a CSA unit in our local county seat and it is very popular.....I was (and am) very proud of him! Anyway, have enjoyed the "give and take." And do look up a local CW Roundtable and perhaps start to attend some of the their meetings.....hopefully you have a group in your area. I find the presentations there....many by history "buffs" like yourself, very interesting and refreshing. Over and Out![:)]0 -
Gary(Dr.) thanks for your help in educating me...BTW, why do you not belong to the SCV unit,if your relatives were Confederates? Is it because your intimidated by the "Unversity" that you lecture from?...Neither one of us was alive and experienced the war,so all we have is anothers opinion and letters to arrive at a decision on the reasons of the outcome....The OP was initiated on Mr. Lincoln's war, and what would have happened about his biograph,if he had lost his war...as usual (I'm just as guilty) the OP got into another topic....Great fun Gary! Keep up your position, makes this place fun. 0 -
There were numerous things at play before president Lincoln even took office; four states were succeeding. They were succeeding due to the conspiracy of the Copperhead politicians who were also Knights of the Golden Circle. This is who Lincoln would eventually have arrested trying to bring the terrible war to an end, only to himself be assassinated by the same - Booth was KGC.
Usually the Lincoln critics will side with the separatist states, claiming they had a right to succeed. They do if it is the will of the people, I suppose by some democratic vote, but this never happened. The civil war conspirators were taking the south to join with Mexico and the Caribbean Isls (to deliberately instigate the war!). This gave Washington DC a pretext to invade the states, previously limited in jurisdiction to DC, which is what happened; both sides ran by the same conspiracy.0
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