Remington Shotgun on Browning Patent. Need to ID
Need help IDing a 12 gauge shot gun. Only thing written on it is two lines on the barrel.
First line: Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge Co. Remington Works ILion, N.Y. USA
Second line: Browning Patents Oct. 9, 1900, Sept. 30, 1902. June 16,1903.
Then the Serial number is: 169716
It's an automatic.
It don't say on the gun, but it's a 12 ga. for a 2 3/4 shell.
Hope the images come thru. I'm new at this.
If anyone know anything about this gun I would appreciate it. What model, Year made, How many years where they made? Any collector valve? Parts available?
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EDIT: Moved to the "Ask the Experts" Forum.
First line: Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge Co. Remington Works ILion, N.Y. USA
Second line: Browning Patents Oct. 9, 1900, Sept. 30, 1902. June 16,1903.
Then the Serial number is: 169716
It's an automatic.
It don't say on the gun, but it's a 12 ga. for a 2 3/4 shell.
Hope the images come thru. I'm new at this.
If anyone know anything about this gun I would appreciate it. What model, Year made, How many years where they made? Any collector valve? Parts available?
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EDIT: Moved to the "Ask the Experts" Forum.
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I'm not an expert but I believe what you have there is a Remington Model 11.
http://www.remington.com/products/archived/shotguns/autoloading/model-11.aspx0 -
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From your photos, it looks to be in poor condition. I wouldn't put any money into, fixing it up.
It quite a common shotgun, hundreds of thousands made over the years.
No collectors value, even if you were able to put it back, into shooting condition, IMHO.0 -
If I could get it going again for under $100, I might. Can find a mainspring and stock. Haven't yet seen a mainspring tube. Inside action looks good. Just sat in a corner forgotten for years and rusted on the out side. Barrel looks good inside. Least now I know what I'm looking for. 0 -
What you have is a Remington Autoloading Shotgun. These pre-date the Model 11 designation.
This is a small bit from the Remington site.
http://www.remington.com/products/archived/shotguns/autoloading/model-11.aspx
And then a more in depth write-up.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=675
Numrich Arms may have all of the parts you need.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Remington-33454/Shotguns-37896/11-41186.htm
From what I can see you will need these parts.
Action spring tube, action spring, action spring plug, plug pin (these are easily made) and the tang screw/lock screw. The tang screw can also be made and the lock screw can be done without. The tang screw is a 1/4"-40 thread. And of course a butt stock is needed. You will need the First Series butt stock as there were three different Series M11's. The tangs were of different lengths.
If the action tube is broken off, rather than removed, you might be best to have a competent gunsmith remove the remaining stub. This has a fine thread that is easily boogered.
Glad I could help.
Here are a couple more bits of info you will need before firing.
This is the most important. The Mod. 11 has a Recoil cushion in the rear of the receiver. It is directly behind the bolt. You need to first make sure it is there and second inspect it for condition. If it is Heavily mushroomed or has cracks 1/2 it's width I would recommend replacing it having it replaced. Shooting the Model 11 without the recoil cushion will damage the receiver.
You can get a fair look at it by simply removing the trigger plate assembly. A better inspection will be had by removing the bolt though.
The Model 11 has what is referred to as Hidden disassembly. Google A5 Bolt Removal, the process is the same for the M11 and A5.
Also, the Model 11 is a recoil operated gun. You will find the recoil system inside the forearm on the magazine tube. This spring and friction piece setup is sensitive to either too much or too little oil as well as crud buildup. Clean the mag tube with solvent and then oil it, Remoil works well. Next, use a clean paper towel and wipe off Most of the oil. You want to see just a light sheen of oil.
There is also recoil setup for Light or Heavy loads.
Save this image somewhere at least until you become familiar with the setup.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/Model11Adj.jpg
The Model 11 is every bit as rugged and reliable as the Browning A5, they just ain't a Purdy.
Oh, just thought of it.
In your pic's I see one of the carrier screw lock screws is missing. I would recommend replacing it. Numrich has those also. If you don't find it under the M11 listing all of the receiver side screws on the M11 are the same size/thread as the Browning A5. The tang screw though may be a different length due to the tang length/buttstock changes.
These are the tang lengths for the three series.
#1 3 5/8" upper, 3 1/16" lower
#2 3 5/8" upper, 3 1/4" lower
#3 3 3/8" upper, 3" lower
I should have posted these for you before.
It is possible the trigger plate may have been changed on your gun. Given the finish match I wouldn't say it has though.
There will be a serial number on the side of the lower tang that will match the receiver number, or not. If it doesn't match then a series 2 or even 3 trigger plate may have been installed. I've got my head up my fourth point of contact today.
If your numbers match return that butt to the seller as it was not properly identified/described.0 -
Thanks Asphalt CowBoy. That's good information. Yes, it does look like a piece of the tube is still in there. Looks like when you put it in there is a hole in the tube that you line up so the stock screw goes threw it. That' the weak point. Tried a #5 ease out. It's max OD is the same as the tubes ID. Maybe a Left hand tap might be the tool to remove it. If I have to I'm sure I could make a new tube. I got a metal lathe.
Good to know about the stocks. I could had bought the wrong one.
Might not have much for valve. But I find it an interesting gun. Think I gave 10 for it about 15 years ago. Would like to hear it go Bang again. Believe it would be a safe gun. Will take precautions on the first rounds.0 -
Thanks Asphalt CowBoy. That's good information. Yes, it does look like a piece of the tube is still in there. Looks like when you put it in there is a hole in the tube that you line up so the stock screw goes threw it. That' the weak point. Tried a #5 ease out. It's max OD is the same as the tubes ID. Maybe a Left hand tap might be the tool to remove it. If I have to I'm sure I could make a new tube. I got a metal lathe.
Good to know about the stocks. I could had bought the wrong one.
Might not have much for valve. But I find it an interesting gun. Think I gave 10 for it about 15 years ago. Would like to hear it go Bang again. Believe it would be a safe gun. Will take precautions on the first rounds.0 -
seeing those pictures reminded me of a similar shotgun stuck back in a closet. I pulled it out and looked at it and its a Remington 20 gauge Sportsman semi-auto shotgun. The only issue i can see is the front bead is missing. i got it seven or eight years ago when my uncle passed away.
thanks for reminding me.0 -
Stock I got for it doesn't fit.
Did the Seller miss identify it?
Or what?
Auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/311512703963?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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