Unknown German Pistol 32 ACP

Rocky57

October 15, 2015 20:21

Need help IDing what I believe is a German Semi Auto pistol in 32 ACP
Side of frame reads DEUTSCHE SELBSTLADE PISTOLE CAL 7.65m/m
Not sure of maker or model type this pistol is or any other information. I believe the grips are not original and have been changed at one time
Thanks





Thanks a bunch Charlie
*** I should also note that this pistol was brought back by my father after the War. He served in the US Army at the end of the war with the Military Police at a Prisoner collection area near Stugart

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  charliemeyer007

  October 15, 2015 20:30

  Keep trying to post your pic's correctly, use the preview option before you submit. edit or delete is your friend.
  
  Use the 4th from the right Icon at the top in the format bar and paste the address in.
  
  http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
  
  Yes nice home made pine grips.
  
  added Well done.

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  rufe-snow

  October 15, 2015 20:58

  Looks like a Chinese or Pakistani home workshop knock-off to me. They come in infinite varies. My guess yours is from one of the workshops in Darra Pakistan, or the vicinity. This is because the Chinese replicas, are usually based on either the 1900 Browning or 1908 Star pistols. The pistol you have pictured resembles more one of the Spanish "Ruby Types". These date from during the First World War time frame.
  
  
  
  EDIT #1, The only thing, possibly German about your pistol. Notwithstanding the slide legend. Is the "Crown N", commercial proof mark. (Although a lot of the Pakistani, Dara made guns. Have phony proofs). I've owned and handled, a lot of German made handguns over the years. You got to trust me on this. It wasn't made in the fatherland.

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  hrf

  October 16, 2015 05:15

  The LB and target pierced by an arrow looks like a maker's logo, but the inscription just says "German Self-loading Pistol" and why would an actual German manufacturer mark that on it?
  
  Sure looks like one of the "Ruby" types made in Basque area of Spain WW-1 era.

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  p3skyking

  October 16, 2015 05:55

  The face on photo of the barrel mating with the slide is a dead giveaway it wasn't made in Germany. The machining is way too sloppy. I'd go with Asian origin also.

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  amparts

  October 16, 2015 06:42

  The "crown N" proof looks too good not to be real. You might want to look at gun #1011 in Vol 2 of Mathews Firearms Identification. He also has it with an unknown German maker.

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  Rocky57

  October 16, 2015 17:05

  Thanks for all the help and the information on this pistol. Don't have any way of checking Mathews Firearms Identification but I do see what you mean on the Ruby Types pistols

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  Bill DeShivs

  October 16, 2015 19:36

  Since the Ruby-type pistols were mostly modeled after German or Belgian pistols, they should look alike!

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  Grasshopper

  October 17, 2015 04:55

  Got that Spanish "look" to it,(lettering ect.) but as stated, I would bet a dollar not Hitlers sidearm.

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  Fatstrat

  October 18, 2015 11:35

  quote:Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
  Since the Ruby-type pistols were mostly modeled after German or Belgian pistols, they should look alike!
  
  I have an article in the last "surplus guns" magazine published That said that the Ruby pistols were loose cpoies of a Browning design. I think the 1905. Originally made for the French Army in WW-1, the ones from the 1st contractor were of good quality. But the need was more than could be produced by one MFG, so sub-contractors were hired. Which is where quality took a nose dive.

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  Bill DeShivs

  October 18, 2015 12:23

  The pictured gun is NOT a Ruby.

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