Remington Class Action Settlement
I just read about this settlement on page 108 of the August 2015 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. It is about replacing possibly unsafe triggers having a trigger connector on several bolt action Remington rifles. It includes many, if not most, Model 600's, 700's,Sevens, and several other models. The replacement trigger will be the X-Mark Pro. My questions:
1. Are you planning on having your trigger replaced?
2. Will replacement affect a gun's value?
3. How good is the X-Mark Pro trigger?
I have several guns subject to the recall and am unsure if I want to have the triggers replaced. I have never had an accidental discharge with any of them. Have you had a problem with any of yours? Thanks for any replies.
1. Are you planning on having your trigger replaced?
2. Will replacement affect a gun's value?
3. How good is the X-Mark Pro trigger?
I have several guns subject to the recall and am unsure if I want to have the triggers replaced. I have never had an accidental discharge with any of them. Have you had a problem with any of yours? Thanks for any replies.
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I've never had a problem with any, 600,660,700 or seven that i've owned and I won't be sending my current ones back.
Given the quality of new Remingtons I don't trust their new trigger to work as well as the originals.0 -
I never had a problem with the 700's I've owned. If I was concerned I would be much more likely to replace the Remington trigger group with a Timney> 0 -
I'm not aware of which triggers are involved, however, I purchased a 700 ADL new, made in 1962. It's been on trips to Alaska and several states. In addition it has been used as a primary demonstration and live fire gun for my hunter education classes spanning nearly 30 years and more than 1000 students. It has fired several thousand rounds. During those trips and over those years of use the trigger/safety has never failed to operate as designed. I don't know what the problem was supposed to be, but it certainly didn't affect this rifle. Don't expect me to be shipping it off for an "improvement". 0 -
I reread the settlement announcement. It says, " Settlement Class members may be entitled to: (1) have their trigger mechanism retrofitted with a new X-Mark Pro or other connectorless trigger mechanism at no cost to class members. (2) Receive a voucher code for Remington Products redeemable at Remington's Online Store."
If I could have a Timney or other high quality trigger replacement, I might go for it, but I'm really unsure about the X-Mark Pro.
Update:
I found a copy of the 274 page proposed settlement agreement online. As best I can tell Remington will only do a replacement using their X-Mark Pro trigger on Model 700's and Sevens and a different Remington trigger on some of the other less expensive models. Worth noting is that they will not replace the triggers on Model 600's and 660's nor on 721's and 722's as they will not readily accept the XMark Pro trigger. If you own one of these you get either a $10 or $12.50 coupon for Remington merchandise. The agreement doesn't become valid until approved by a judge later this year, Dec. I believe.0 -
I've had Remington 700 triggers fail with the following sequence:
1. rifle cocked and safety on
2. forgot to unlock safety and squeezed trigger really hard
3. flipped off safety and rifle fired
Rifle was pointed in a safe direction so it only startled me; and with an unloaded rifle that sequence to get it to fire was repeatable. This was before Remington coated the trigger adjustments with epoxy; and the triggers had been adjusted by their owners, me included, but sometimes by a previous owner without the new owner knowing. I remember a lot of people were shooting themselves and others in 1980s with their Remington 700s and there were some multi-million dollar personal injury trials held in South Texas. The final settlements usually were not made public.0 -
What Spirits said- Remington 600. Found there already WAS a recall for that. Sent rifle back, they applied the modification, no more problems.
But unexpectedly putting a .308 downrange from a VERY light rifle was..... unsettling. And a reminder to keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.0 -
There was a problem on the early rifles in the 600, 660, and 700's, as some of them had a bolt lock, attached to the safety. In order to open the bolt, you had to have the safety off.
As far as the rest of it goes, it stems from johnny wannabe gunsmith, improperly adjusting the sear engagement, and/or improper maintenance, and cleaning of the rifles trigger mechanism.
The X-Mark Pro trigger is an attempt by Remington to make a trigger that has little adjustment in it for the weight of pull only, similar to the Savage trigger. They have pretty much made the over travel, and sear engagement, un adjustable. When introducing the new X-Mar Pro, they have appeared to cut corner's quality wise, and ended up with as bad or worse failures, as the original system.
If I were to do anything, it would not include sending it back to Remington. I would have a competent gunsmith look it over, clean it, and adjust it for proper function, and safety.
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I have a 700 that I replaced the original trigger (6-7#) with a new "take off" xmark pro. The Xmark pro was a consistent 3.5# pull. I sent the rifle to Remington for the recall, as per their instructions after calling them. It was returned with the comment that it had been checked, cleaned, and returned to "factory specs". Well it was back to 6-7# and when I adjusted it down to 3.5# it is not as consistent as before. If I had it to do again I would have a Timney installed. 3 more 700s and they are staying here. 0 -
My Douglas barreled 223 already has a Timney in it [;)]
My PSS-LTR is stock and I might call about it. Probably won't send it back as trigger at 3 1/2lbs works good as is [^]0
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