Mannlicher Schoenauer 1952 DOM
I earlier posted a thread regarding a MS 1952 rifle in 257 Roberts.
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=654228
I'm going out of state this weekend to pay off the rifle, visit friends. Have since learned the rifle will accept a side mount so drilling & tapping for a top mount (Redfield) isn't going to happen, I was leaning against it after having checked my Blue Book anyway. My remaining challenge is convincing the gun store the gun is C & R eligible, otherwise they'll ship to my dealer FFL and that costs about $200.00 more. I'd like to use my C & R.
The gun store doesn't understand the Model 1952 was replaced by the Model 1956 which was replaced by the Model 1960. The left side receiver and barrel of this rifle is stamped "53" & my understanding is that's the year of manufacture. That's the best "proof" I have of age, but can't find an independent source (book) stating so.
The various MS online sites don't have specific DOM info, I haven't been able to find anything definitive. Lots of anecdotal such as the blued bolt handle, no top tapping of rear bridge, 257 chambering discontinued in 1960. But nothing I can point to for them to accept.
Edits: Yes, am buying from an FFL. I'm in CA and that kills my ability to buy a long gun from another state "face to face" even from an FFL. Regarding the charge, CA FFLs get to charge whatever they want for an out of state transfer - and they collect sales tax. That OR has no sales tax doesn't matter, but it does make the difference between doing the deal with my C & R license in OR cost a whole lot less. The FFL charge breakdown is about $60.00 for state fees, another $60.00 or so goes to the FFL and the rest will be shipping (about $25.00) and tax.
Whether right or wrong, costs too much is a separate matter. I'm trying to establish the MS 1952 as C & R eligible and not have to deal with CA silly laws.
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=654228
I'm going out of state this weekend to pay off the rifle, visit friends. Have since learned the rifle will accept a side mount so drilling & tapping for a top mount (Redfield) isn't going to happen, I was leaning against it after having checked my Blue Book anyway. My remaining challenge is convincing the gun store the gun is C & R eligible, otherwise they'll ship to my dealer FFL and that costs about $200.00 more. I'd like to use my C & R.
The gun store doesn't understand the Model 1952 was replaced by the Model 1956 which was replaced by the Model 1960. The left side receiver and barrel of this rifle is stamped "53" & my understanding is that's the year of manufacture. That's the best "proof" I have of age, but can't find an independent source (book) stating so.
The various MS online sites don't have specific DOM info, I haven't been able to find anything definitive. Lots of anecdotal such as the blued bolt handle, no top tapping of rear bridge, 257 chambering discontinued in 1960. But nothing I can point to for them to accept.
Edits: Yes, am buying from an FFL. I'm in CA and that kills my ability to buy a long gun from another state "face to face" even from an FFL. Regarding the charge, CA FFLs get to charge whatever they want for an out of state transfer - and they collect sales tax. That OR has no sales tax doesn't matter, but it does make the difference between doing the deal with my C & R license in OR cost a whole lot less. The FFL charge breakdown is about $60.00 for state fees, another $60.00 or so goes to the FFL and the rest will be shipping (about $25.00) and tax.
Whether right or wrong, costs too much is a separate matter. I'm trying to establish the MS 1952 as C & R eligible and not have to deal with CA silly laws.
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I have the impression that you are dealing with a ffl licensed dealer. If so he can sell and deliver the rifle to you at his place of business. Have him look in the 2005 edition of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide, on page 42 under paragraph 478.29 (b). Unless state laws of either your or his state of residence prohibit it, the transfer can be made directly to you. Unfortunately some dealers are ignorant of the law or prefer to add their own requirements to making a transfer. Whether or not the rifle qualifies as a C & R item makes no difference under federal law. 0 -
Costing $200 to ship to your FFL? Seems pretty exorbitant, even if you're paying for FFL "costs" on both ends and shipping. You can't merely pay off the gun on your way to visit said friends, and pick it up after the 24 hr wait period on your way home? Seems pretty salty to me unless that $200 includes shipping in a 1750 ! 0 -
Print out this page from the Hallowell Co. See if it will satisfy them.
It appears to me, that they are trying to take advantage of you. $200 to ship a rifle, is ridiculous.
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm0 -
I can't add anything to my response to your previous post about this rifle except to reiterate that it is C&R eligible. I know the 53 is the DOM but I can't quote chapter and verse that will say how I know---sorry. If you can't convince the seller I'm afraid you're out of luck. I hope you have good luck. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
Print out this page from the Hallowell Co. See if it will satisfy them.
It appears to me, that they are trying to take advantage of you. $200 to ship a rifle, is ridiculous.
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm
Thanks, this may help. Just to clarify, it's not "$200.00 to ship" but rather $200.00 for the state of CA & receiving FFL. I know that seems high, but that's what happens when "all sales must go through FFL" happens. Captive market = getting screwed.0 -
I'm just wondering, now: Are the Mannlicher Schoenauers on the BATFE C&R list? If they are, you would think that would get you a pass. 0 -
Another thing you might do is get your "costs" together and when you show up on his doorstep, where you can have the rifle delivered to you, show him on paper where he is charging you too much.
If he doesn't see the light, it wouldn't hurt to let people know on the internet, this is how this dealer deals.
very nice rifle choice BTW. Cartridge choice too![:D]0 -
Not to derail your thread but here is my 1952 MC in .257 Roberts. I had never seen another one like it. maybe we should start a club. 
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Not to derail the thread again, but what exactly is it about the MS actions that you guys love so much. Other than that they are a true classic and beautiful rifles/actions.
The ones' I've worked in the past have all seemed pretty smooth. Or, as a former drinkin' buddy put it, smoo-hooth. But, to me, they are ergonomically difficult to manipulate. Same with some Mauser '98's for me, especially when the case is tight in the chamber after firing.
Cock on close mausers ('98 types included)are another story. I typically find the 'hard' points to get through easy with them. Unless of course the case is really hot!
So, what is your gig/process for cycling these?0 -
Sometimes SandWarrior I have wondered about the same thing about the appeal of MSs and I have about eight probably more. First, the pre-WarII MSs are the classic light handy rifles which killed just about everything. I wouldn't count the MS1924s or even the ones made during the Anshluss because the quality wasn't as good as the older Austrian made ones. The later post-WarII MSs were modernized for scope use but they are bulkier and ungainly like the MS1924. I've hunted with the modern ones and they are okay just something different but when I really hunt I grab the Ruger77II stainless with the old paddle stock - never had to paddle with it, with its the 257R Shilen Match Select barrel. 0
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