old 45 acp rounds
found some old 45 acp rounds,not sure if they are that old are not, one marked WRA 8-9; other WCC 92. Any one have any info for me. Thanks
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If that's an "89" rather than an "8-9" then they are Winchester 1989 and Western 1992. 0 -
sounds like Military Ball ammo made 1989 and 1992 0 -
Hi,
WRA = Winchester Repeating Arms Company
WCC = Western Cartridge Company
Military surplus stuff relatively recent vintage.
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Winchester military ball of that vintage is non-corrosive and should function just fine. Just for grins I found some 1920's vintage stuff and ran it though an old hardball gun I had. Except for having to wait and hold point on a few hang-fires, they shot fine. Had to thoroughly clean the gun afterward, but no problems. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 62fuelie
Winchester military ball of that vintage is non-corrosive and should function just fine. Just for grins I found some 1920's vintage stuff and ran it though an old hardball gun I had. Except for having to wait and hold point on a few hang-fires, they shot fine. Had to thoroughly clean the gun afterward, but no problems.
I came into some .45 ball marked FA 22 that looked to be in new condition (excellent storage, somewhere). Local collectors said it had no special value, so I shot it. Yow! The stuff was hot, ancient or not. I pulled a bullet and weighed it, it was 200 grains, and not 230. I guessed it was part of a lot that FA had made for evaluation purposes. I thought it was interesting, that John Browning had originally designed the cartridge with a 200-grain bullet, but in 1910 the Army insisted on 230.0 -
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
quote:Originally posted by 62fuelie
Winchester military ball of that vintage is non-corrosive and should function just fine. Just for grins I found some 1920's vintage stuff and ran it though an old hardball gun I had. Except for having to wait and hold point on a few hang-fires, they shot fine. Had to thoroughly clean the gun afterward, but no problems.
I came into some .45 ball marked FA 22 that looked to be in new condition (excellent storage, somewhere). Local collectors said it had no special value, so I shot it. Yow! The stuff was hot, ancient or not. I pulled a bullet and weighed it, it was 200 grains, and not 230. I guessed it was part of a lot that FA had made for evaluation purposes. I thought it was interesting, that John Browning had originally designed the cartridge with a 200-grain bullet, but in 1910 the Army insisted on 230.
I believe in the past, there were 45 ACP proof loads made. Although if I remember correctly, they had nickeled cases?0 -
I have a bunch of factory ball .45 loaded in 1918. I shot some of it, and it all fired but with a short delay in the primers similar to what you would hear in a flintlock. 0 -
BE aware all ammo loaded before The end of WW II most likely Will have corrosive primed if you don't clean with Hot water or other cleaner MADE for corrosive cleaning it will damage the bore of barrel Modern Cleaners May or may not work. Don't take the chance and ruin a barrel
unless you know your bore cleaner is the correct kind for CORROSIVE PRIMERS.0 -
quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran I came into some .45 ball marked FA 22 that looked to be in new condition (excellent storage, somewhere). Local collectors said it had no special value, so I shot it. Yow! The stuff was hot, ancient or not. I pulled a bullet and weighed it, it was 200 grains, and not 230. I guessed it was part of a lot that FA had made for evaluation purposes. I thought it was interesting, that John Browning had originally designed the cartridge with a 200-grain bullet, but in 1910 the Army insisted on 230.
Interesting. I have never seen M1911 cartridges loaded by Frankford Arsenal with a 200 grain bullet, nor have I seen any reference to same. High Pressure cartridges were usually tinned and were loaded with 230 grain bullets. Are you sure you did not get some handloads?0 -
Regarding cal. .45 ACP rounds with 200 grain bullets - I didn't remember reading about them so I went back and reviewed "History of Modern U.S. Military Small Arms Ammunition" (Hackley, Wooden, Scranton 1998), page 29. The book (which is very detailed) only references 200 grain bullets in the summary below.
It is stated by the authors that in 1932 Frankford Arsenal produced a series of rounds in an effort to increase shock effect of the .45 ACP. These rounds were referred to as T2 series. The nomenclature was T2 and T2-E1 through T2-E9 and ranged in bullet weight from 172.5 grains up to 200 grains. These were lead alloy bullets referred to as the Belding & Mull lead bullet series. Some were flat-nosed and Keith design, and apparently round-nosed design as well. They would have been loaded in standard 1911 cases which may or may not have reflected the correct year depending upon the supplies that were available to them then. We will never know if these were the cartridges referred to by MG Moran or not. However, MG Moran said the cartridges looked in new condition which makes me wonder if the original owner knew what they were special and set them aside to preserve them (?). Just wondering on my part.
Best,
Heavyiron0
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