winchester 100
I have just purchased a Winchester 100 in 308. I seem to remember something about these rifles needing a FIREING PIN UPGRADE that at one time Winchester would offer this service. Also can I check my rifle and tell if may have already been done??? Thanks Ray
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I need to know if there is any company that makes stocks for 100 rifles. 0 -
Triple K, has them on their web site. These are replicas, not original Winchester production. Fleabay would probably be your best bet for an original. Chances are it would be way more expensive, than Triple K. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rudy411
just got this gun and it fires fine, was very clean has good wood n bore.
but. I don't think I have the correct clip. it reads 243/308 on it, has a W only on it and it has had a wide slot filed in to it, in the front by the tang to remove it. it is not factory cause it was never de burred or blued.during feeding of rounds it has jammed. and when I shoot all 4 rounds the bolt stays back. looks like the plate at the top of the clip holds the bolt back. so the clip wont come out to reload it.so in order to remove the clip then I have to pull the bolt all the way back and push the plate down in the clip so the bolt returns to rest.
any ideas. or anyone have a correct clip or two for sale
thanks rudy
thanks I will check both places0 -
gun parts corp has them new made there are originals for sale on the auction side 0 -
The model 100 mag is supposed to hold the bolt open on the last shot.
If you don't want this feature get a mag for the model 88.
They had a bad rep for mag feeding troubles and there was many changes in those guns in the few years they were made.
A major concern was a recall because of firing out of battery. {bolt not locked in} BAD JUJU!!
There is some collector value to them in unmolested condition, they were a very pretty gun!
Go here for mags....
http://www.GunBroker.com/Rifle-Magazines-Rifle-Clips/BI.aspx?Keywords=*winchester+100&SearchType=10 -
Side issue- recall- firing pin problem could result in unplanned full auto.
Remove magazine. Turn rifle so you can look into magazine well. Draw bolt all the way back, look for a letter that will be stamped in the area above the bolt. If not there, contact Winchester for recall service.0 -
A. your rifle/magazine are working correctly (bad design), if you don't like this get a magazine for the m-88 as stated above.
B not all 'fixed' rifles have a letter stamped indicating that they have been threw the 'recall'. check your firing pin, it should have 2 'flats', if it completely round it needs to be replaced
C. a 'bad' firing pin will not mak the rifle go 'full auto', it will make it into a hand held hand grenade and self distruct.0 -
rudy411,
The Model 100 should lock the bolt back on the last shot. There might need to be some adjustment to the feed lips on your particular magazine. This was/is not an uncommon practice.
Like most semi-automatic rifles(but not all of them), the Model 100 has safeties in it, that will prevent it from firing out of battery. The issue with the firing pin was brittleness, and the tip would break off, and wedge itself in the firing pin hole in the bolt. The rifle would then empty its magazine, acting like an open bolt machine gun, with a fixed firing pin. In order to fire, the bolt had to be all the way closed for the cartridge to headspace.
I do suggest you take your rifle to a qualified gunsmith, for two reasons. First to check to see if the recall has been done to correct the issue with the firing pin...full auto, can be a bad thing, if one is not expecting it.
Secondly to have then adjust the feed lips on your MAGAZINE(its not a clip, and there is a difference).
Best
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I had no idea Winchester would let that work be done outside of the factory, because of legal purposes, and properly identifying the rifle as having the work performed by the stamp.
An open bolt machine gun, will not fire out of battery...unless it is a cook off, and then the gun will be really hot to do so.
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quote:An open bolt machine gun fires out of battery, there is no lock up.
An open bolt machine gun, fires when the trigger is pulled, releasing the bolt forward. More specifically, it fires when the bolt is closes on the chamber, going into full battery. You see, there is this thing called head space, and over all length that comes into play. A cartridge does not just stop in mid stride, for the firing pin to set it off. It has to be stopped by something, and that is called the chamber. More specifically it is the case mouth, or the case shoulder that stops the cartridge, when the cartridge comes to rest on that perspective feature in the chamber.
The majority of open bolts are blowback, but not all of them. In fact there are some that can fire from an open bolt, and a closed bolt, depending on what mode they are in, dating back to 1944. The open bolt was specifically designed to prevent cook off's. Just because it is a blow back, does not mean there is no lock up.0 -
"The issue with the firing pin was brittleness, and the tip would break off, and wedge itself in the firing pin hole in the bolt. The rifle would then empty its magazine, acting like an open bolt machine gun, with a fixed firing pin. In order to fire, the bolt had to be all the way closed for the cartridge to headspace."
sorry, but you are wrong. I've been a gun smith for over 40 years and have seen several that self disassembled themselves by firing like an open bolt machine gun. you can not do this with a high pressure round like the .308. I've replace several hundred m-100 firing pins, I'd send in the rifles serial # and the old pin and get a new pin and a check for $20. Like my son says " I could agree with you........but then we'd both be wrong"
Mike0 -
Call Winchester at 1-801-333-3288 they can tell you if the firing pin has been replaced.
Over the years I've read dozens of post from people that had firing pins go bad in their M-100's, everyone said they fired all the cartridges in the mag full auto without any damage to the gun itself.
After replacing the firing pin their gun worked perfectly for many years.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
"The issue with the firing pin was brittleness, and the tip would break off, and wedge itself in the firing pin hole in the bolt. The rifle would then empty its magazine, acting like an open bolt machine gun, with a fixed firing pin. In order to fire, the bolt had to be all the way closed for the cartridge to headspace."
sorry, but you are wrong. I've been a gun smith for over 40 years and have seen several that self disassembled themselves by firing like an open bolt machine gun. you can not do this with a high pressure round like the .308. I've replace several hundred m-100 firing pins, I'd send in the rifles serial # and the old pin and get a new pin and a check for $20. Like my son says " I could agree with you........but then we'd both be wrong"
Mike
I have seen 3 of them destroyed before they were repaired/recalled.
And I agree with Mike, the firing pin fix stops the trouble.
An open bolt machine gun fires out of battery, there is no lock up.
By definition, "out of battery"..
""In firearms and artillery where there is an automatic loading mechanism, a condition can occur in which a live round is at least partially in the firing chamber and capable of being fired, but is not properly secured by the usual mechanism of that particular weapon. The gas pressure produced at the moment of firing can rupture the not fully supported cartridge case and can result in flame and high pressure gas being vented at the breech of the weapon, potentially creating flying shrapnel possibly injuring the operator.""0
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