GunBroker Rifle Sale Question

dennisrob

January 16, 2015 18:19

When a person sells a rifle with the stipulation "AS IS - No refund or exchange" then the buyer indicates he wants to send the rifle back because I put a 90 degree crown put on them muzzle. Do I have to accept the return? This is a Model 7 243. Thanks

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  MG1890

  January 16, 2015 18:31

  No, unless you lied to or deceived the buyer..

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  tsr1965

  January 16, 2015 18:59

  I would say that your auction for the Marlin 1895G is borderline. It could have been done better, like you could have let it be known the rifle had been recrowned, unless it was a trade in and you did not know.
  
  I would say use it as a learning tool, and its your choice to refund or not.
  
  Best

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  charliemeyer007

  January 16, 2015 19:06

  As a shooter, I suggest you buy him a box of shells and have him go shoot it, maybe it will still shoot fine with an altered crown. $20 for a box of ammo seems cheap compared to ffl and shipping fees.

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  duckhunter

  January 16, 2015 19:13

  NO.

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  nmyers

  January 17, 2015 04:57

  He doesn't want to return it because it was altered, he wants to return it because it was altered & you failed to disclose that in your photos & description.
  
  You should refund his payment, including shipping both ways.
  
  If he opens an auction support complaint, you will lose.
  
  Neal

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  bpost

  January 17, 2015 05:42

  quote:Originally posted by dennisrob
  When a person sells a rifle with the stipulation "AS IS - No refund or exchange" then the buyer indicates he wants to send the rifle back because I put a 90 degree crown put on them muzzle. Do I have to accept the return? This is a Model 7 243. Thanks
  
  
  No, "as is" means "as is".
  
  If you purposefully disguised the re-crown then it becomes a moral issue. I would not allow the return myself as a re-crown job is no big deal in my book.

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  spas12

  January 17, 2015 06:16

  I don't think you have to take it back and I don't think the buyer should be trying to return it. One the other hand, considering you knew about the issue and didn't mention it you should probably let them return it.

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  dennisrob

  January 17, 2015 06:36

  quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
  I would say that your auction for the Marlin 1895G is borderline. It could have been done better, like you could have let it be known the rifle had been recrowned, unless it was a trade in and you did not know.
  
  I would say use it as a learning tool, and its your choice to refund or not.
  
  Best

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  dennisrob

  January 17, 2015 06:37

  quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
  I would say that your auction for the Marlin 1895G is borderline. It could have been done better, like you could have let it be known the rifle had been recrowned, unless it was a trade in and you did not know.
  
  I would say use it as a learning tool, and its your choice to refund or not.
  
  Best

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  competentone

  January 17, 2015 08:28

  quote:Originally posted by dennisrob
  When a person sells a rifle with the stipulation "AS IS - No refund or exchange" then the buyer indicates he wants to send the rifle back because I put a 90 degree crown put on them muzzle. Do I have to accept the return? This is a Model 7 243. Thanks
  
  
  "As is" means he bought it as it is, but without seeing the listing, I really don't know if you made other representations that could affect your responsibilities in the transaction.
  
  For example, if I sold a car online and said "as is" but failed to disclose that the car had no motor (and my photos never showed that condition) what I sold would be considered materially different than what the buyer was thinking he was buying, and my comments "as is" would not protect me against having to give the person a refund.
  
  In your case, I'm not sure how much a "recrown" would be considered "different" to what the buyer reasonably was expecting he was buying. If you made a comment such as, "original condition" -- the recrown could be considered a change of enough significance that the sale contract is effectively void, and you have to accept the return.
  
  If you made comments such as "well used," or were completely silent about the condition, "as is" -- without the specific disclosure about the recrown -- could mean the buyer got exactly what he paid for, and you do not have to accept a return.
  
  So the answer to your question depends on the entirety of your listing and any other communication you may have had with the buyer.

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  JohnnyBGood

  January 17, 2015 09:06

  http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=461506296

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