Trump wants to End Birth right Citizenship
Now he's gone and done it. I think its actually going to work for him. They would have to amend the 14th amendment, but its not a bad platform.
He is killing the repubs on this one, forcing them to take a stance![:D]
He is killing the repubs on this one, forcing them to take a stance![:D]
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36 years ago, all of the R candidates as well as the establishment Rs and especially the conservatives went nuts attacking and condemning Reagan saying he was a liberal and frightened of Reagan because a few years back he was a democrat.
Democrat controlled media spent months trying to destroy Reagan as well. Criticized Reagan due to a divorce, past Union leader, and made it clear Reagan would NEVER get the nomination and if he did, Carter would win by a landslide.
The fact that establishment Rs, the socialists, and their slobbering sycophants in the media do not like Trump makes him attractive.0 -
That foreigner birth right has got to go! Ridiculous that an illegal can cross the border and her hatchling is a US citizen. 0 -
This is one place Trump and I find common ground. I've thought for years this needed to be changed. 0 -
Passage of a new constitutional amendment would require a two-thirds "aye" vote in the House and Senate, plus the approval of the legislatures of three-quarters of the 50 states.
That would be a hard row to hoe..[V]0 -
My better half was raised an Air Force G.I brat. Her youngest sister was born at a hospital in Japan back in 1957. For years the other siblings would tease her that her parents had to have the " Made in Japan' stamp removed from her foot when they got back to the States.[:D] 0 -
The 14th amendment was one of three adopted post Civil War. It's intent was to grant citizenship to the freed slaves,.....not enable foreigners to drop babies like animals on US soil. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
The 14th amendment was one of three adopted post Civil War. It's intent was to grant citizenship to the freed slaves,.....not enable foreigners to drop babies like animals on US soil.
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quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
The 14th amendment was one of three adopted post Civil War. It's intent was to grant citizenship to the freed slaves,.....not enable foreigners to drop babies like animals on US soil.
This is why an Amendment is not necessary, and also why accepting precedent as settled law is wrong in many cases. Yet another reason an Article 5 Convention would be helpful.0 -
I am with Donald on this one, 100%. 0 -
they would have all the world freely declared citizens and force the middle class to hold down 3 jobs and pay more taxes to support them 0 -
All he needs is a phone and a pen. All the one we have now has. 0 -
There's another angle to this. For example ...
Suppose an American family is visiting Korea, or Mexico or some other country - maybe Russia. And the pregnant "US All American God & Country" wife had their kid on the visit. How would they like it if Russia said "your kid is a Russian citizen". Sorry, no thanks. Who the hell are you to presume I want my kid to be a Russian citizen?
Why should we presume the parents of the kid born here want them to be a US citizen? I mean, we know why some do but my bet is some folks say "no thanks, I'm an Australian citizen" or some other worthwhile country. Just because a person is born here they get the US brand? Isn't that a touch presumptuous and imperialistic?
So let's look at it differently - the 14th Amendment imposes US citizenship on a person whether they like it or not, subjects them to US laws to a greater extent were they not citizens.0 -
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.
I can't say I totally disagree with that. A couple years of military service or 3 or 4 years of civil service in order to earn the right to vote. Heinlein was a pretty bright guy.0 -
Hmmm. Saw an interview with Scott Walker on Fox tonight, where he was asked his position on anchor babies. He refused to answer, saying we need to develop a new immigration policy, first.
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Actually a baby born in the US to foreign nationals gets to choose their citizenship at age 18, they are not forced to be American citizens.
As for changing the law, how about we change it and make it retroactive? Where would each and every one of you end up at?0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.
super! Idea!0 -
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
Actually a baby born in the US to foreign nationals gets to choose their citizenship at age 18, they are not forced to be American citizens.
As for changing the law, how about we change it and make it retroactive? Where would each and every one of you end up at?
I would be here! Where would you be?.....[:o)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
Actually a baby born in the US to foreign nationals gets to choose their citizenship at age 18, they are not forced to be American citizens.
As for changing the law, how about we change it and make it retroactive? Where would each and every one of you end up at?
I would be here! Where would you be?.....[:o)]
I legally emigrated here and earned my citizenship.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.
I like that too but what would be the advantage of being a citizen? The right to vote? Being hired for a job?
Since 1900 there has been less than 70% voter turn out and since 1970 it has been less than 60%.
I was in Iraq in 2005 during the elections and voter turn out was 80%, that was with bombings and killings going on. They could not even drive a car on election day. The ROE used there if used here there would have been maybe 2% turn out.
I agree with Trump BYW.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.
I like that too but what would be the advantage of being a citizen? The right to vote? Being hired for a job?
Since 1900 there has been less than 70% voter turn out and since 1970 it has been less than 60%.
I was in Iraq in 2005 during the elections and voter turn out was 80%, that was with bombings and killings going on. They could not even drive a car on election day. The ROE used there if used here there would have been maybe 2% turn out.
I agree with Trump BYW.
I would say the right to vote, the right to run for office, the right to own real estate, a gun, to sit on a jury, the right to run for public office or have a government job, the right to have a security clearance in private sector jobs, the right to collect welfare (not social security, that should be for anyone that works and has paid in). Maybe some things I haven't thought about.0 -
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
Actually a baby born in the US to foreign nationals gets to choose their citizenship at age 18, they are not forced to be American citizens.
As for changing the law, how about we change it and make it retroactive? Where would each and every one of you end up at?
I would be here! Where would you be?.....[:o)]
I legally emigrated here and earned my citizenship.
If it was retroactive, Trump wouldn't be able to run for office.[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I personally think it would be great to make people EARN their full citizenship a la Starship Troopers. Two years of service to the country for EVERYONE, rich or poor, whatever color.
With the exception of the Post Office, which has a high number of veterans in it, it would clean out government, mostly the politicians who are seldom have any balls now.
I like that too but what would be the advantage of being a citizen? The right to vote? Being hired for a job?
Since 1900 there has been less than 70% voter turn out and since 1970 it has been less than 60%.
I was in Iraq in 2005 during the elections and voter turn out was 80%, that was with bombings and killings going on. They could not even drive a car on election day. The ROE used there if used here there would have been maybe 2% turn out.
I agree with Trump BYW.
I would say the right to vote, the right to run for office, the right to own real estate, a gun, to sit on a jury, the right to run for public office or have a government job, the right to have a security clearance in private sector jobs, the right to collect welfare (not social security, that should be for anyone that works and has paid in). Maybe some things I haven't thought about.
I understand what you are saying and about half agree with you but...............
What you are saying is you have to serve to have the constitution apply to you.
I think that is what the Revolutionary war was all about.
That would bring back a form of feudalism or a caste system.
I think a better plan would be as a taxpayer you are granted those rights. But again that is not really what the founding fathers wanted.
The problem with this country is the ignorance that is so wide spread and even hailed by the ignorant. I don't think the founders ever thought this country would be run and populated with self hating, Ignorant, liberals like it is today.
Sorry kind of off topic.0 -
Sam, a couple of months ago this came up about voting during Colonial times. You had to own property or be a substantial tax-paying citizen of the town to show you had a stake in the community/country.
We'd just be reverting back to what the Founders had in mind. You're right though, it is a caste system.
Nevr'do'wells might as well just keep on truckin'.0 -
If he wants the job he will be the next President. 0 -
Pulled the Trump card on this issue.[:)] 0 -
i read where there is a real birthing vacation here so they can stream across , have the AMERICAN taxpayer pay the bill, declare the little darling a citizen , then the whole village tags along ...one big happy family...on our nickel 0 -
Amend it to read that children born here with at least one parent who is a U.S. Citizen are automatically citizens, but children of foreign nationals are citizens of the parents' countries only. If the parents are here legally, the child may remain here legally until 18, so long as the parents status remains legal. At which point the child needs his/her own visa. SImple as that.
No other developed nation has an anchor baby clause. Canada chucked theirs as they were being flooded with illegal Chinese immigrants who would fly in in their 8th month of pregnancy just to squat and drop in a Canadian airport, often quite literally.0 -
I agree 100% quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
That foreigner birth right has got to go! Ridiculous that an illegal can cross the border and her hatchling is a US citizen.0 -
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
Actually a baby born in the US to foreign nationals gets to choose their citizenship at age 18, they are not forced to be American citizens.
As for changing the law, how about we change it and make it retroactive? Where would each and every one of you end up at?
I would be here! Where would you be?.....[:o)]
I legally emigrated here and earned my citizenship.
Then you my freind are not the problem. Welcome to your new home.[:)]0
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