Man versus God
There is a distinction, a very important but subtle distinction that many of the contributors here seem not to understand.
An follower of a religion is not the religion.
The actions of a Catholic terrorist do not define Christianity. Rather, these actions define the man, the terrorist, no more. Any relationship to Christianity is merely an excuse, a self-justification, a rationalization by that man.
To understand Christianity, it is necessary to read the words of Jesus Christ, and to understand them.
Similarly, the actions of a Muslim terrorist do not define Islam. Rather, these actions define the man, the terrorist, and no one else. Any relationship to Islam is merely an excuse, a self-justification, a rationalization by that man.
To understand Islam, it is necessary to read the words of Muhammad, and to understand them.
So here are a few of the words of Muhammad.
Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Bukhari, vol. 9, book 88.
So much for apostasy.
Muhammad said, "As often as they [Jews] light a fire for war, Allah extinguisheth it. Their effort is for corruption in the land, and Allah loveth not corrupters." Koran,sura 5:64
So much for peaceful relations with the Jews.
In sura 9:30, the Koran states that Christians who consider Jesus to be the Son of God are under the "curse of Allah."
There go the Christians, too.
Indeed, we find this in the Koran: "...take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
In other words, a Muslim that is friends with a Christian or Jew is of the same status as a Christian or Jew, and "Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." Koran, sura 5:51
Ibn Sa'd quotes Muhammad as having stated, "I have been raised for Jihad and I am not raised for tillage [farming]."
When Muslims ask themselves, "What would Muhammad do?" (WWMD), this is one of their guiding sources for answering that question. When in doubt, declare war.
When you also consider the historical fact that Muhammad was a highway man, a caravan raider, a violent criminal, even after he became "Prophet," WWMD takes on added significance.
Muhammad decreed that no Muslim could be put to death except for murder, unlawful sexual intercourse, and apostasy. Bukhari, vol. 9, book 87.
But he did not extend that exclusion to non-Muslims. In fact, there is no prohibition in the Koran about killing "infidels." Indeed, Ibn Ishaq is quoted as stating that, "God had given him [Muhammad] power over their [Quraysh, infidels] lives and they were his to spoil."
Muslims have a concept known to them as Taqiyya. "Al Taqiyya" is the Muslims' license to lie to infidels in order to camouflage Islam's holy war strategy (jihad) to conquer the world. This concept is based directly on the Koran, sura 3:28 which states, "Let not Believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that you may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you to remember Himself; for the final goal is Allah."
Al Bukhari summed it up this way, "We [muslims] smile in the face of some people [non-muslims] although our hearts curse them."
So why did I go through these citations of Muhammadan beliefs? To illustrate the FACT that the actions of Islamic terrorists, while they do not define Islam, they do reflect upon the true nature of the religion, as well as the man.
In the case of Islam, terrorist actions reflect what Islamic holy scriptures define.
One final note: "Muslims strongly believe that the Koran is the actual living word of Allah [God] that was revealed by the Angel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad. Muslims use expressions like "the Koran says..." and "God says..." interchangeably to mean the exact same thing." The Koran is a record of Muhammad's words and life. In the traditional understandings of Islam, if one expresses doubt that the Koran is the word of God, then he has uttered words of disbelief, a.k.a. heresy.
And a careful study of the Koran will reveal that it is mostly about Muhammad and very little about Allah. Quite simply put, Islam and Muhammad combine to yield just another personality cult, much like Nazism and Hitler.
An follower of a religion is not the religion.
The actions of a Catholic terrorist do not define Christianity. Rather, these actions define the man, the terrorist, no more. Any relationship to Christianity is merely an excuse, a self-justification, a rationalization by that man.
To understand Christianity, it is necessary to read the words of Jesus Christ, and to understand them.
Similarly, the actions of a Muslim terrorist do not define Islam. Rather, these actions define the man, the terrorist, and no one else. Any relationship to Islam is merely an excuse, a self-justification, a rationalization by that man.
To understand Islam, it is necessary to read the words of Muhammad, and to understand them.
So here are a few of the words of Muhammad.
Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." Bukhari, vol. 9, book 88.
So much for apostasy.
Muhammad said, "As often as they [Jews] light a fire for war, Allah extinguisheth it. Their effort is for corruption in the land, and Allah loveth not corrupters." Koran,sura 5:64
So much for peaceful relations with the Jews.
In sura 9:30, the Koran states that Christians who consider Jesus to be the Son of God are under the "curse of Allah."
There go the Christians, too.
Indeed, we find this in the Koran: "...take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
In other words, a Muslim that is friends with a Christian or Jew is of the same status as a Christian or Jew, and "Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." Koran, sura 5:51
Ibn Sa'd quotes Muhammad as having stated, "I have been raised for Jihad and I am not raised for tillage [farming]."
When Muslims ask themselves, "What would Muhammad do?" (WWMD), this is one of their guiding sources for answering that question. When in doubt, declare war.
When you also consider the historical fact that Muhammad was a highway man, a caravan raider, a violent criminal, even after he became "Prophet," WWMD takes on added significance.
Muhammad decreed that no Muslim could be put to death except for murder, unlawful sexual intercourse, and apostasy. Bukhari, vol. 9, book 87.
But he did not extend that exclusion to non-Muslims. In fact, there is no prohibition in the Koran about killing "infidels." Indeed, Ibn Ishaq is quoted as stating that, "God had given him [Muhammad] power over their [Quraysh, infidels] lives and they were his to spoil."
Muslims have a concept known to them as Taqiyya. "Al Taqiyya" is the Muslims' license to lie to infidels in order to camouflage Islam's holy war strategy (jihad) to conquer the world. This concept is based directly on the Koran, sura 3:28 which states, "Let not Believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that you may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you to remember Himself; for the final goal is Allah."
Al Bukhari summed it up this way, "We [muslims] smile in the face of some people [non-muslims] although our hearts curse them."
So why did I go through these citations of Muhammadan beliefs? To illustrate the FACT that the actions of Islamic terrorists, while they do not define Islam, they do reflect upon the true nature of the religion, as well as the man.
In the case of Islam, terrorist actions reflect what Islamic holy scriptures define.
One final note: "Muslims strongly believe that the Koran is the actual living word of Allah [God] that was revealed by the Angel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad. Muslims use expressions like "the Koran says..." and "God says..." interchangeably to mean the exact same thing." The Koran is a record of Muhammad's words and life. In the traditional understandings of Islam, if one expresses doubt that the Koran is the word of God, then he has uttered words of disbelief, a.k.a. heresy.
And a careful study of the Koran will reveal that it is mostly about Muhammad and very little about Allah. Quite simply put, Islam and Muhammad combine to yield just another personality cult, much like Nazism and Hitler.
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Yes but the Bill of Rights give all people the right to worship as they see fit! So Our Government blesses Muslims like they do any other religion.
In the end their will be only ONE entity and it being the temple as well as the palace! Something The US Constitution does not recognize in their writs of expression of authority to rule. But they do put IN GOD WE TRUST on every coin so it must be money the government worships [:D]
serf
http://www.nhinet.org/many-one.htm
Thanks in part to the growing influence of the "multiculturalists" and their ideological allies, what now passes for "the humanities" in America-and feeds off the largess of the nation's corporate, foundation, and governmental donors-is antithetical to the humanities' civilizing purpose and, in the truest sense, is inhumane. To assess the impact of the usurpation of the humanities by its opposite, it is only necessary to see the carnage in our streets, the increasingly brutal wars of contending groups for an ever-shrinking (in relative terms) pot of governmental hand-outs, and the eruption of contempt, and even hatred, for authority in direct proportion to the spread of bureaucratic laws and regulations that are destroying the last vestiges of America's once-vaunted freedom.0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yes but the Bill of Rights give all people the right to worship as they see fit! So Our Government blesses Muslims like they do any other religion.
In the end their will be only ONE entity and it being the temple as well as the palace! Something The US Constitution does not recognize in their writs of expression of authority to rule. But they do put IN GOD WE TRUST on every coin so it must be money the government worships [:D]
serf
http://www.nhinet.org/many-one.htm
Thanks in part to the growing influence of the "multiculturalists" and their ideological allies, what now passes for "the humanities" in America-and feeds off the largess of the nation's corporate, foundation, and governmental donors-is antithetical to the humanities' civilizing purpose and, in the truest sense, is inhumane. To assess the impact of the usurpation of the humanities by its opposite, it is only necessary to see the carnage in our streets, the increasingly brutal wars of contending groups for an ever-shrinking (in relative terms) pot of governmental hand-outs, and the eruption of contempt, and even hatred, for authority in direct proportion to the spread of bureaucratic laws and regulations that are destroying the last vestiges of America's once-vaunted freedom.
Do you understand the difference between natural rights and civil rights? Very simply, natural rights are God-given; civil rights are man-given. Do you see the parallel?
The point above was that the actions of violent men do not necessarily define the religion they professes to follow, but that in the case of Muhammadanism, the religion does define the actions of these violent men.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yes but the Bill of Rights give all people the right to worship as they see fit! So Our Government blesses Muslims like they do any other religion.
In the end their will be only ONE entity and it being the temple as well as the palace! Something The US Constitution does not recognize in their writs of expression of authority to rule. But they do put IN GOD WE TRUST on every coin so it must be money the government worships [:D]
serf
http://www.nhinet.org/many-one.htm
Thanks in part to the growing influence of the "multiculturalists" and their ideological allies, what now passes for "the humanities" in America-and feeds off the largess of the nation's corporate, foundation, and governmental donors-is antithetical to the humanities' civilizing purpose and, in the truest sense, is inhumane. To assess the impact of the usurpation of the humanities by its opposite, it is only necessary to see the carnage in our streets, the increasingly brutal wars of contending groups for an ever-shrinking (in relative terms) pot of governmental hand-outs, and the eruption of contempt, and even hatred, for authority in direct proportion to the spread of bureaucratic laws and regulations that are destroying the last vestiges of America's once-vaunted freedom.
Do you understand the difference between natural rights and civil rights? Very simply, natural rights are God-given; civil rights are man-given. Do you see the parallel?
The point above was that the actions of violent men do not necessarily define the religion they professes to follow, but that in the case of Muhammadanism, the religion does define the actions of these violent men.
Civil or natural law ? How about Spiritual law? Mankind will never govern itself without spiritual law!
serf
http://agapegeek.com/2010/03/31/understanding-spiritual-laws-in-the-bible/
Farmers understand the law of sowing and reaping. They plant specific seeds to get specific crops and harvests. They do not plant corn seed to get cabbage. They understand that whatever they sow, is exactly what they reap. This is a spiritual law as well as a natural physical law.0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yes but the Bill of Rights give all people the right to worship as they see fit! So Our Government blesses Muslims like they do any other religion.
In the end their will be only ONE entity and it being the temple as well as the palace! Something The US Constitution does not recognize in their writs of expression of authority to rule. But they do put IN GOD WE TRUST on every coin so it must be money the government worships [:D]
serf
http://www.nhinet.org/many-one.htm
Thanks in part to the growing influence of the "multiculturalists" and their ideological allies, what now passes for "the humanities" in America-and feeds off the largess of the nation's corporate, foundation, and governmental donors-is antithetical to the humanities' civilizing purpose and, in the truest sense, is inhumane. To assess the impact of the usurpation of the humanities by its opposite, it is only necessary to see the carnage in our streets, the increasingly brutal wars of contending groups for an ever-shrinking (in relative terms) pot of governmental hand-outs, and the eruption of contempt, and even hatred, for authority in direct proportion to the spread of bureaucratic laws and regulations that are destroying the last vestiges of America's once-vaunted freedom.
Do you understand the difference between natural rights and civil rights? Very simply, natural rights are God-given; civil rights are man-given. Do you see the parallel?
The point above was that the actions of violent men do not necessarily define the religion they professes to follow, but that in the case of Muhammadanism, the religion does define the actions of these violent men.
Civil or natural law ? How about Spiritual law? Mankind will never govern itself without spiritual law!
serf
http://agapegeek.com/2010/03/31/understanding-spiritual-laws-in-the-bible/
Farmers understand the law of sowing and reaping. They plant specific seeds to get specific crops and harvests. They do not plant corn seed to get cabbage. They understand that whatever they sow, is exactly what they reap. This is a spiritual law as well as a natural physical law.
Okay, spiritual law. But I thought it very clear when I noted that natural rights [or laws] are given by God. Did you not understand that?
Recalling these words of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Ithink your example of the seed is getting just a little far afield.0 -
In my library I keep an unread koran next to the Bible and my copy of the Satanic Bible. It's all a point of view thing. Yes, I have read the other two. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Not a problem understanding, Charley.
Around 60% of adult Muslims are illiterate across the world, half of all them are under the age of 18, few have Qurans that can read, but many are minus the Hadiths (sic).They are also minus the sira.quote:
A great difference you seem to be unable to comprehend is that Islam is not a monolithic faith much beyond the Five Pillars, with no orthodox establishment or central authority. The local Imam (if there even is one) is highly independent, which allows Islam to suit itself to very different local conditions.I do not recall making the assertion that Islam is monolithic. Far from it. One would have to be an idiot to believe such a thing considering the events in the world today and since the death of Muhammad.
The point I was striving trying to express is that when a Muslim commits an act of evil, he or she can point to the teachings of Muhammad, claim they are the words of God, and thereby turn he evil into good without regard for the opinion of his victims or the non-Muslim world.
That cannot be done with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Now that is a pronouncement even Barzillia should be able to understand without distorting it.quote:
You can make all the pronouncements you want, but they are meaningless.As long as you are disputing your own arguments, anything I say will be futile. You will just ignore my words and thoughts and "disprove" your own.quote:
I gave you a link to an Islamic site that addresses who is a Muslim fairly reasonably.Considering the often demonstrated unreliability and outright dishonesty of Islamic apologists, not to mention al Taqiyya, the Muhammadan policy and practice of deceit, I'd just as soon forego another Islamic source about Muslims written to convince non-Muslims how great Islam really is.
Here is a website about Muslims for you: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I have taken the time and effort to cite each one of my assertions, to give their sources in Muslim "holy" texts. In response, you simply claim that I am wrong.0 -
Well done TC [^][^][^]
A very enlightening post to be sure!
You OP also reaffirms my assertion that "Islam is a self inflicted mental illness masquerading as a religion". Nothing I have ever read about Islam has diminished that feeling.0 -
Do take a look at
www.thereligionofpeace.com
It has a lot more information that is not biased in support of Muhammadanism.0 -
This string is gathering so many levels of quotes that I've tried something a little different. please bear with me.quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Not a problem understanding, Charley.
Around 60% of adult Muslims are illiterate across the world, half of all them are under the age of 18, few have Qurans that can read, but many are minus the Hadiths (sic).They are also minus the sira.quote:
So ?
So? So if you are going to include the ahadith (the proper spelling) why not include the sira? Any real scholar would have done.quote:quote:quote:
A great difference you seem to be unable to comprehend is that Islam is not a monolithic faith much beyond the Five Pillars, with no orthodox establishment or central authority. The local Imam (if there even is one) is highly independent, which allows Islam to suit itself to very different local conditions.I do not recall making the assertion that Islam is monolithic.
quote:Didn't say you did. Please leave the straw men at the door.
Of course you did.
I originally (in another post) referred to the proposition that ALL Muslims believe that "There is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God," which is the first pillar, a.k.a. testimony of faith. That's all I stated; the other four pillars were not even mentioned. Why would you include the other four pillars than to imply some expansion of my argument? I mean, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is Barzillia trying to muddy the waters. How about that for mixing metaphors?[:D]quote:quote:quote:
Far from it. One would have to be an idiot to believe such a thing considering the events in the world today and since the death of Muhammad.
And yet you claim "All". Do you simply not understand what you are saying when you say it ?I stated that ALL Muslims shared their belief in the first pillar, the testimony of faith. Isn't the first pillar common to ALL Muslims?
You ain't a Muslim unless you believe in Allah and Muhammad. And if you believe that Muhammad was the messenger of Allah, then it follows that you believe Muhammad spoke the word of Allah. At least, that's what Muhammad claimed. So when Muhammad commanded, "Go kill the infidels," it was the same as Allah commanding that.
Why do you not understand that?
Wait! Wait! You do understand, of course. You're just trying to squirm out of the corner you've backed into by pretending to misunderstand. [xx(]quote:quote:quote:
The point I was striving trying to express is that when a Muslim commits an act of evil, he or she can point to the teachings of Muhammad, claim they are the words of God, and thereby turn he evil into good without regard for the opinion of his victims or the non-Muslim world.
No one turns evil into good.Sure one can, particularly if one is as evasive as you are.
You can find words of Muhammad that instruct you to kill innocents, so if you believe Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah, and ALL Muslims believe just that, then you're well on your way to turning evil into good.quote:quote:quote:
That cannot be done with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
That is absurd, anybody can misrepresent anything.To misrepresent is human.
You do it all the time.
Misrepresent:give a false account, misreport, misquote, quote/take out of context, misinterpret, put a spin on, skew, warp, falsify, distort, misstate, exaggerate. That's exactly what Muslims do, but they don't have to. Muhammad gave many examples of situations wherein terror was quite acceptable; he even commanded it be done, so misrepresentation is not necessary with Islam. Muhammad said it, Muhammad spoke the words of Allah, therefore it is the will of Allah: go kill the infidels. However, misrepresentation certainly is necessary with Christianity if you try to make the case that Christ promoted violence. Jesus Christ simply did not teach us to kill anyone; His message was forgiveness and charity.
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Now that is a pronouncement even Barzillia should be able to understand without distorting it.
A statement only Charley could make.
You can make all the pronouncements you want, but they are meaningless.
As long as you are disputing your own arguments, anything I say will be futile. You will just ignore my words and thoughts and "disprove" your own.
Right....
quote:
I gave you a link to an Islamic site that addresses who is a Muslim fairly reasonably.Considering the often demonstrated unreliability and outright dishonesty of Islamic apologists, not to mention al Taqiyya, the Muhammadan policy and practice of deceit, I'd just as soon forego another Islamic source about Muslims written to convince non-Muslims how great Islam really is.
It has nothing to do with what you claim.
The hate is strong in this one...
Not hate, skepticism, utter disbelief of nearly everything having to do with Islam.quote:quote:quote:
Here is a website about Muslims for you: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I have taken the time and effort to cite each one of my assertions, to give their sources in Muslim "holy" texts. In response, you simply claim that I am wrong.
No, I say you do not know what you are talking about.
Same thing, isn't it? Please rationalize why not if you disagree.quote:quote:quote:
I say you are generalizing.
I say you apparently know nothing about the hermeneutics of the quran.
Naskh.hermeneutics = interpretation. Thank you for another big word. See pompous.
Naskh = a way of explaining away contradictions in Muslim "holy" texts. Curiously, a word or concept that applies almost exclusively to Islam. You see, it seems that Muhammad was very inconsistent, so it has become almost a full-time job among Muslim "scholars" to explain "what he really meant." That's what naskh means.0 -
Charlie, you need to keep in mind that Barz doesn't actually believe any of what he's saying, he's just egging you on to be contrary, per his forum MO.[:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Charlie, you need to keep in mind that Barz doesn't actually believe any of what he's saying, he's just egging you on to be contrary, per his forum MO.[:)]
Indeed. It is hard to tell exactly what Barsillia believes.0 -
ALL Muslims believe that Allah is God and Muhammad was his prophet. ALL.
Only each Muslim's individual freewill prevents him from being violent because the Koran, the word of Allah through Muhammad, does not prohibit him from doing it.0 -
ALL Muslims that know they are Muslim. The others don't count, and only an idiot would pretend they do. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Charlie, you need to keep in mind that Barz doesn't actually believe any of what he's saying, he's just egging you on to be contrary, per his forum MO.[:)]
Wrong again.
Well if you actually believe that, that's the worse position. Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.[:I]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Charlie, you need to keep in mind that Barz doesn't actually believe any of what he's saying, he's just egging you on to be contrary, per his forum MO.[:)]
Wrong again.
Well if you actually believe that, that's the worse position. Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.[:I]
No need to lie about it.
Just own your own post, for Pete's sake.
What is Barsillia saying he's lying about? That he cannot face the facts about Islam, but pretends he does?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Another sad victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Thank you for your sesquipedalian reply, but D-K doesn't apply to my previous post. I clearly expressed my puzzlement, not the illusory (and smug) superiority you typically exhibit, even when you are shown to be in error.
However, in one way you are correct. Given the realities of the world, I do indeed expect you to reach the correct and logical conclusion about Muhammadanism.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Charlie, you need to keep in mind that Barz doesn't actually believe any of what he's saying, he's just egging you on to be contrary, per his forum MO.[:)]
Wrong again.
Well if you actually believe that, that's the worse position. Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.[:I]
No need to lie about it.
Just own your own post, for Pete's sake.
Lie about what?0 -
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quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
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I suppose you have some modicum of support for your ridiculous claim? You and Barz eat from the same trough?0 -
I was just looking through "The True Origins of Terrorism" posted by Waco Waltz,and found this statement by Dr. Joseph Douglass:quote:First, as I understand Islam, the term radical is misleading. What we see is more appropriately fundamental Islam. That is, nothing that we see is inconsistent with the Islamic scriptures. This comes as a surprise to many people, what with our President describing Islam as a peaceful religion, focused on love and compassion. This image is nowhere to be found in the Islamic scriptures. A good treatment of the subject can be found at prophetofdoom.net, or in the book "Prophet of Doom." The web site has a mass of quotes and references.
This is exactly what I was saying above, and apparently what Barzillia was denying. Dr Douglass expressed himself far more succinctly than did I.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
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Hitler was burning books and trying to rewrite history.
Bet he read all of the koran rewritten. [xx(]
The world would be a better place without them.
...Strange, Obama said the same about American history, wonder if there is a correlation.
Indeed it would on more fronts than one can imagine.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
So..... pedo moo-ham-id destroys all prior korans,changes it to say kill all non muslimes',ok to steal,lie & cheat to nonmuslimes
all the while raping little boys as he did it.
Hitler was burning books and trying to rewrite history.
Bet he read all of the koran rewritten. [xx(]
Why should I pay attention to the koran
besides to know how to kill camel jockeys in a way for the 72 virgin fiction story to not come about?
Better have a sharp sword alongside that AR. [:X]
The world would be a better place without them.
Muhammid (sic) did not write the Quran, or have any to burn.
Indeed? Tell us why you claim that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
So..... pedo moo-ham-id destroys all prior korans,changes it to say kill all non muslimes',ok to steal,lie & cheat to nonmuslimes
all the while raping little boys as he did it.
Hitler was burning books and trying to rewrite history.
Bet he read all of the koran rewritten. [xx(]
Why should I pay attention to the koran
besides to know how to kill camel jockeys in a way for the 72 virgin fiction story to not come about?
Better have a sharp sword alongside that AR. [:X]
The world would be a better place without them.
Muhammid (sic) did not write the Quran, or have any to burn.
Indeed? Tell us why you claim that.
Seriously ?
[?][?][?]No, of course not, but don't you wish.quote:
Apparently you have no clue to either Arabic, as well, or the history of the Quran.
Pretty funny !
I had intended to give you the opportunity to contribute something besides a vague reference to a subject or a smart-assed remark (a.k.a. witty comment), to show off your learning, make a positive contribution, as it were. Sorry to tell you this, but you wasted your opportunity.
By the way, is that a new way of spelling Muhammad? "Muhammid"
By the way again, if you are going to use the alternative spelling of Koran, it usually includes an apostrophe thusly: Qur'an.
For a correct pronunciation, listen to many of Obama's speeches where he carefully, like a true Muhammadan, refers to the "Holy Koran," but omits the adjective holy when he mentions the Bible.quote:Originally posted by Tallcharlie
When Barz gets seriously putdown, his consistent response is to ignore his defeat and reply with (his idea of) a witty comeback.
Pretty funny, indeed!0 -
If 'Ebola Lover' is married,....God be with his wife, because she needs all the help she can get to make it through each day. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
All spelling is accurate for Western usage.
There are multiple variations on a language that seldom uses short vowels. I am not an Arabic language scholar, but then, neither the hell are you.
If you are not sure of a word, I suggest you look it up.
And you are not fooling anybody other than yourself on the rest, tallcharlie.
Don't make it any worse by trying to dodge, it only makes you look sorry.
Leave it be, what has been done is done.
Even when he's wrong he claims to be right.
And unlike Barz, when I make a mistake I have the honesty to admit it.0
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