Smith 1076 10mm pistol?
Have the opportunity to purchase one used (barely) at a fairly reasonable price. Honestly, not that interested from a shooting perspective, but I suppose this could have collectors value.
Any comments on quality of this gun?
Is this something desirable from a collectors standpoint?
Any opinions or other comments?
Thanks.
Any comments on quality of this gun?
Is this something desirable from a collectors standpoint?
Any opinions or other comments?
Thanks.
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Passed on one a number of years ago. Subjectively the grip felt way to big. Hard to hold properly, for my medium size hands. Almost as bad as a CZ 95.
Some of the 10 mm Smiths are worth more money as collectibles, rather than shooters though. I believe they made a limited run for the FBI, that are collectors items now. Don't remember if it's the 1076, or a different model?0 -
I remember there was a recall on that FBI model.. Might want to check that out..
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My first handgun and is my first Love [:D]. Mine originally came with the rounded plastic grip. She's a FBI re-sale that was low mileage. The front strap was checkered 20LPI and can be fired with magazine removed. The de-cocker went out of time and they had a re-call on this. So it was a free fix and they gave me a straight grip for free. Very nice of them.
beantownshootah - Buy it. Unless they want a grand. Then again I suppose that's what they're going for and more these days [:0].
Things to look for. There will be a punch mark under the "de-cocker" if the gun was sent back for the "re-call" work. Oh that reminds me mine didn't get the punch marks like the 1026 I saw not too long ago. Since yours also might be low miles there shouldn't be much wear.
Collectability? I'd look for the gun that can be fired with magazine removed. The little lasered warning is very cool. I also like the front strap checkering 20LPI.
Oh the spare magazines are going for crazy prices $70-$80 a pop used [:0]. The "yellow" magazines with a follower with the lip angled "short" are the originals. "Improved" are also yellow but the follower goes fulley. Then the "white" followers are the last ones.
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These are sought after by many S&W aficionados , and bring a good price.
The average for a nice one, no extras $600. +.
For better ones with extras like mags,box, paperwork etc. are $700. and above.
So if it's $500. or less just gun in the condition you state it's a deal no matter what.
If it comes with box and all, extra mags and $600. very good deal.
I would not at this time pay much more as the market seems to have stalled or plateaued on these , will they go up in the future? like most older S&W's they probably will, but might take a while,but as always you never know for sure.
The mags are from $50 to $75 each at this time.0 -
There were around 14k of the 1076's made which makes it the second most abundant S&W 10xx model available after the 1006. The so-called FBI model with the "capable of being fired with magazine removed" does command a premium over the standard model, probably around 25% more. I said "so-called FBI model" because police and other agencies also used them. The 1026 which is the longer barrel variant of the 1076 also was offered to law enforcement with that same option.
Last I looked for the standard version of the 1076 a great deal would be $600 for good shape, a fair price (for both parties) might be closer to $750. Most likely the night sights will be nearly gone but if they have been replaced that sometimes will bump the price up $75 or so. I largely agree with Tank78Z above when he mentioned the prices leveling out and possibly peaking. I don't expect them to ever go back down unless our currency goes down. They aren't making any more of them like 1911's. Ones in good condition are getting hard to find so I foresee them still going up, but likely at a slower rate than they did when 10mm saw its resurgence a few years back.
The recall on the gun itself has already been mentioned but there was also one on the hard plastic grips which will also have a dot on the bottom. I have pictures and details of both recalls as well as pics of all 6 models together but no longer have my web server up. PM if you want them and I could dig them up and send them to you (or anyone else that wants to post them on theirs and we can link to them).
There are two different materials they made the grips from, one was the factory hard plastic version which had the slim and palm swell version. IIRC, there was also a third one that was bulged in the back, but not on the side like the palm swell but it has been a long time since I thought about that so not positive on that one.
I didn't know about the price of mags going up. They were $25-35 when I bought mine. I have a lot so haven't needed to look for a while. There are 3 generations of them. There is the yellow follower which was the oldest/original ones. Then, they redesigned the follower some and it was white. Later they changed something else and I can't recall what, but then labeled them as Accu-Guide which are the latest, and usually best model. I say usually the best because I have seen ONE 1066 that wouldn't work with the new ones.
I have all 6 S&W 10xx models. There are really three models, with each of those three having two barrel lengths.
The types are the 1026/1076 are DA/SA with slide de-cocker like SIG.
The 1006/1066 are DA/SA with frame de-cocker
The 1046/1086 are DAO
As for the S&W 10mm's as collectors or shooters... They are built like a tank and should last a lifetime of shooting even the original power loading of the 10mm (not this watered down .40 level junk). I'd say it and the Star Megastar are the two strongest built dedicated 10mm's. Even though the 1076 was the 2nd most produced version, currently I would venture to say it is the most desirable of them for the average collector and shooter. There are some real elusive S&W 10xx but that's for another post and another time.
I am a HUGE 10mm auto fan and over half my collection is in that caliber. A fellow GB member told me there was a 10mm topic and I had to jump on here. [:p][:p][:p] (I mean just look at my signature)
If you have any questions about any of the models in that caliber let me know. I have, or have owned almost all of them at one time or another.0 -
The 1076 was the model made exclusively for the FBI. The armorer tested them, cleaned them, and put them back in the box. Very few were issued, when they found that their agents couldn't handle them with full 10mm loads. Federal came up with what was termed "The FBI Load", which was a reduced load, at the lower power level, of what was to become a shortened 40 S&W. I purchased 12 of them, from a wholesaler, at $279.00 each back in 1992. I sold them for the discounted price of $400.00. They are worth BIG money now...over $1000.00.
The 1076, has a frame mounted decocker, and no safety, while the 1006 has a slide mounted safety/decocker, the 1086 is DAO.0 -
All three generation of the S&W were not very good. Very few police departments carry them. They just don't hold up. My opinion is that S&W would take a good idea and then cheap out on about 20% of the gun. The 10mm also had a lot of recoil and the guns just wouldn't stand up to continued use. That being said I believe there is a demand on the collectors market for them and to add a slot in a collection, why not. 0 -
I couldn't disagree more that they aren't strongly built. They handle the original 10mm loadings with ease. I had a 1076 that I put over 10k through it of strong loads like DoubleTap and the gun shot just as good at the end as it did at the beginning. No galling, peening, or failures to feed, eject, etc. Largely, you can just tell by the weight/size of them that they were built to handle the 10mm, not just them taking a 9mm frame and elongating the grip so it will fit.
I have extensive 10mm collection and knowledge and as I said above, I think Star's Megastar and the S&W 10xx line are the toughest semi's made for that caliber (excluding caliber conversions for things like the LAR Grizzly and others.0 -
Thanks for the well informed responses.
Jokes on me. I saw the gun in question and its a 1006, not a 1076. Whoops!
Since the thread is about to get locked, I'll ask about 1006 in a new one.0 -
Not a lot different in the 1006 and the 1076. The 1006 was the most produced at ~27k produced. I would say it is probably the 2nd most desirable among shooters and many prefer it for more of a target pistol than the 1076 due to the longer barrel and the fact it has a hammer so you can start it in SA mode. Price on it is a little lower than the 1076. In fact, it is probably the cheapest of the S&W 10xx line, probably a product of its production numbers.
They are bulkier than the 1076's due to it having a real safety lever and not just a de-cock lever like the 1076.
PM me if you want a picture. I have a picture of all 6 models and they are labelled showing which one is which. I also have more info on the recalls on my home PC if you would like the info on that as well. The 1006 was not subject to the frame one like the 1076, but does still have the same grip recall but it was much more minor.
Just get it, you won't be sorry. Or, hook me up if you decide not to get it. A lot of people know me as the 10mm guy so I am always getting hit up for this or that.0
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