Winchester front sight location
Since the other post is full I have a few questions for Bert H.
Is there a difference in location for 1894 and 1892 Rifles?
Is there a difference in location for 1894 and 1892 Rifles?
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No, there is not. All Winchester lever-action rifle barrels regardless of the specific model (including the Model 1885 Single Shot) have the front sight dovetail cut in the exact same position.
There are a very small number of exceptions where someone special ordered the sights to be installed in non-standard locations, but they will listed in the factory ledger records.0 -
This is a late production 1892 standard round barrel rifle it has a 24 1/4" length barrel front dovetail is cut exactly on 1.00" center.
I aslo have a mid production octagon barrel same dimension 1.00 center.
In the other post referance made of 15/16" ,are you talking about takedown rifles only ? I've not personally seen any cut at 15/16" myself . Of course anytime machining takes place there is a tolerance .I suspect the tolerance could easily be 1/16" or more.
And since all Winchester rifle style barrels were machined to length then hand polished across the face flat there will be differences in length.
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quote:Originally posted by metalsmitty45
In the other post referance made of 15/16" ,are you talking about takedown rifles only ? I've not personally seen any cut at 15/16" myself . Of course anytime machining takes place there is a tolerance .I suspect the tolerance could easily be 1/16" or more.[/URL]
No, I am not referring to Take Down rifle barrels. I own more than (50) Winchester rifles, and on all of them that I have measured thus far, the front sight dovetail cut is .9375" from the muzzle face to the center of the dovetail. When measured from the muzzle face to the forward most edge of the dovetail cut, the distance is .75" +/- a few thousandths.0 -
Thanks for the response ,I checked Arthur Pirkle's notes and he says the 1894 and 1892 front dovetail is located 51/64" (.796")front of dovetail +/- 1/32" .So that means my examples would be slightly over high and yours slightly under minimum. I dont know if he measured from top or bottom of dovetail.Model 67 early also for comparison.
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Measure from the bottom front edge of the dovetail slot. The Model 67 is a relatively late production rifle. My information is for the early to mid year production rifle models (e.g. 1866, 1873, 1876, 1885, 1886, 1890, 1892, 1894, etc). 0 -
Went back and measured to bottom of dovetail leading edge on both rifles 1892 measure 13/16" (.8125)to muzzle .
Re-read Arthur's specs which also states to front of sight dovetail 51/64" (.796") +/- 1/32".
So my locations are well within upper limit tolerance and your measurements would be close to minimum limits.I think it's fair to say that 51/64" may be actual nominal spec .Which makes Reneburg's book accurate as well.0 -
Bert H. thanks for your description .and thanks to people who sent me photos of various Winchesters with measurments .
From what I see it appears that earlier rifles indeed seem to be mostly the shorter length you describe while later rifles especially last production barrels seem to be mostly the longer distance .
So one could say only close observation of the muzzle face to determine authenticity.
I checked early 1894,1886,two 1890 ,all had shorter 3/4" Pre 1900
Do you have any late 1894 ,1892 20's or 30's with 3/4" location?
If so they may have been a more liberal tolerance at end of production.0 -
I do not own any of the late production Model 92 or Model 94 rifles. With very rare exception, nearly all of my collection is pre-WW I. 0
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