Walther Patrone
I'm trying to get some education and date a friend's Mauser Patrone .22 LR rifle. It's a Walther Patrone, all numbers match. Serial #3182 followed by 459 in smaller numbers and 4 proof marks (way out of anything I've ever learned about) on the barrel adjacent to the 459. The stock has the Mauser crest on the right side, forend and grip are smooth as opposed to the checkered ones I've seen on the auction side. The rear sight is adjustable with a screw in the center rather than the knurled knob on any I've searched up. The butt plate is steel, again with Mauser markings. The barrel is tapered, bolt handle straight.
I believe, from what I've read so far, that it was used as a training/target rifle but that's really all that I've learned. The steel butt plate, smooth stock and rear sight set it apart from anything I've seen surfing around and piques my interest. The wood is beautiful. I can't believe he paid $5 for it at a yard sale!
I believe, from what I've read so far, that it was used as a training/target rifle but that's really all that I've learned. The steel butt plate, smooth stock and rear sight set it apart from anything I've seen surfing around and piques my interest. The wood is beautiful. I can't believe he paid $5 for it at a yard sale!
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Need quality close-up photos. Your post is somewhat confusing? Calling the rifle a Walther Patrone, with Mauser crest and markings.
Mauser made a whole range of half stock .22 sporters, prior and during the war. Quality photos required to figure out which one your inquiring about.
Instructions for posting photos, at this link.
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Got it Rufe, thanks. I'm pretty technically challenged when it comes to posting pics. That being said, I can take some decent ones with my phone and email them.
The barrel is labeled Walther Patrone, The "crest" I mentioned may be a misnomer, it's an oval with Mauser in the middle within a double circle imprinted on the right side of the stock. The steel butt plate has Mauser within an oval with flat sides imprinted on it as well. Let me work on a few decent pics and we can see about getting them to you. Thanks for your help.0 -
Does it look like this? Notice the bolt handles location, i.e. at the very rear of the receiver. 
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Hey, it looks like MINE!
I have never been exactly sure of the model designation. Walther sporter is about all I can get.
quote:Location of the bolt handle at the rear of the receiver. Is its most identifiable feature.
The skinny bolt head only the diameter of the .22 rim is kind of distinctive, too. Two big locking lugs on the large diameter bolt body.
Sounds like Chris has one of the many Mauser Kleincaliberbusches.0 -
Very close, except the one I'm looking at appears to be an earlier model, this is a total assumption on my part. The bolt is at the immediate rear of the chamber rather than at the rear of the action, there are no finger grooves or checkering on the stock, the rear sight doesn't have the knurled adjustment (adjustable elevation screw in the center of the rear sight rather than the knurled side adjuster), the mentioned Mauser marking imprinted on the right side of the stock and, last but not least, the Mauser marked butt plate rather than the Bakelite/plastic one shown on all examples such as the photo you posted. The action and especially the trigger on this rifle is/are incredibly smooth.
The barrel is the same medium/tapered style shown, front sight ramp is identical however this one is a narrow blade type sight rather than the taller one shown. Very interesting piece for a novice like me.
I grabbed a few pics last evening but need to redo the lighting and take some overalls and close ups. I'll try to email you what I have so far. They'll be coming from an AOL address if GB will let them thru.
I must have been having a brain spasm when I typed Walther instead of Mauser. Guess I'm getting older than I thought.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
Hey, it looks like MINE!
I have never been exactly sure of the model designation. Walther sporter is about all I can get.
Walther Model V, quite uncommon. Location of the bolt handle at the rear of the receiver. Is its most identifiable feature.0 -
According to "Rifles of the World", by John Walter. The rear sight on your rifle, identifies it as a Model ES 340.
This was a optional rear sight. That was adjusted like the rear sight on modern target pistols, i.e. with a vertical screw. The German name, that Walther gives for this rear sight is, "Schraubviser". This little known variation. Might substantially increase the collectors value of the rifle. Your buddy got a outstanding deal for $5.00[:D]
According to Walter this would date probably from the 20's, until sometime in the 30's. When variations based on the DSM training rifles, went into production.0 -
Rufe, I can't thank you enough for your knowledge and experience. I never fail to learn something new when I read your posts. You really went above and beyond helping me learn about this rifle. Again, thank you!
(Maybe Ill offer him $15 for the rifle. What do ya think? Nah, I couldn't do that to anyone let alone a friend.)0
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