First Grooved Rifle Issued to an Army

serf

July 13, 2016 11:29

What national army had the first Grooved Rifling in a sharpshooter sniper role? Was it The French,British or some other country?

Thanks

serf

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  charliemeyer007

  July 13, 2016 13:32

  Might not be the first but Berdan's Sharp Shooters were awesome in the War of Northern Aggression . IIRC 1750 yards.
  
  http://www.historynet.com/minie-ball
  
  How interesting, I typed the "c i vil war" and it changes to War of Northern Aggression .
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_United_States_Sharpshooters
  
  added I'd love to build a modern Ferguson rifle. Pieozo electric ignition breach loader.

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  Tailgunner1954

  July 13, 2016 14:51

  Look up British shooter Maj. Patrick Ferguson
  Than look up "Morgan's Riflemen."
  Finally look up Timothy Murphy, from the same era
  
  ALL of them were using rifled barrels

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  Hawk Carse

  July 13, 2016 21:02

  The Ferguson breechloading rifle programme died with Maj. Ferguson.
  The British got serious with the Baker rifle from 1800.

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  dfletcher

  July 15, 2016 21:34

  Does the Whitworth qualify as "rifled"?
  
  http://www.americancivilwarstory.com/whitworth-rifle.html
  
  Damn, I hope auto-correct doesn't change the title of that link. [;)]
  
  Looks like you dodged that bullet...or is it a Mini? ball? [;)]

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  gruntled

  July 16, 2016 00:01

  J?ger (singular [der] J?ger, plural [die] J?ger, German pronunciation: [#712;j#603;#720;#609;#592;]) is a German military term adopted in 1631 by the landgrave of Hesse when he first formed an elite infantry unit out of his professional hunters (J?ger) and rangers (Forstleute) in the Hessian Army.
  
  During the Age of Enlightenment in German-speaking states (and others influenced by them) J?ger was used to describe elite light infantry,[2] especially skirmishers, scouts, sharpshooters and couriers. J?ger, which means "hunter" or "huntsman" in German, came by extension to denote light infantrymen whose forester background made them suitable for skirmishing as individuals rather than as a drilled and regimented body of soldiers. Often they came from families with a tradition of service to one feudal lord. Initially J?gers made use of their own precision-made rifles: a more accurate weapon with a longer range than the muskets used by line troops.
  
  While the term J?ger continues, in some modern instances, to carry its original and literal connotations, the usage had broadened over time. For instance, Feldj?ger was the name given by the Prussian Army, basically for scouts and couriers. In the Bundeswehr, Feldj?ger is the name of German military police. During the 20th century Jagdflugzeug (short form: J?ger) became the German word for fighter aircraft, while Panzerj?ger was the name adopted for tank destroyers.
  
  J?ger, in its original sense of light infantry, is usually translated into English as:
  "rifleman" (in an infantry role) or "Rifles" (in regimental names) and;

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  serf

  July 21, 2016 12:45

  quote:Originally posted by gruntled
  J?ger (singular [der] J?ger, plural [die] J?ger, German pronunciation: [#712;j#603;#720;#609;#592;]) is a German military term adopted in 1631 by the landgrave of Hesse when he first formed an elite infantry unit out of his professional hunters (J?ger) and rangers (Forstleute) in the Hessian Army.
  
  During the Age of Enlightenment in German-speaking states (and others influenced by them) J?ger was used to describe elite light infantry,[2] especially skirmishers, scouts, sharpshooters and couriers. J?ger, which means "hunter" or "huntsman" in German, came by extension to denote light infantrymen whose forester background made them suitable for skirmishing as individuals rather than as a drilled and regimented body of soldiers. Often they came from families with a tradition of service to one feudal lord. Initially J?gers made use of their own precision-made rifles: a more accurate weapon with a longer range than the muskets used by line troops.
  
  While the term J?ger continues, in some modern instances, to carry its original and literal connotations, the usage had broadened over time. For instance, Feldj?ger was the name given by the Prussian Army, basically for scouts and couriers. In the Bundeswehr, Feldj?ger is the name of German military police. During the 20th century Jagdflugzeug (short form: J?ger) became the German word for fighter aircraft, while Panzerj?ger was the name adopted for tank destroyers.
  
  J?ger, in its original sense of light infantry, is usually translated into English as:
  "rifleman" (in an infantry role) or "Rifles" (in regimental names) and;
  
  
  
  Makes Sense The Germans would be doing this at an early time but it took the French conical bullet to get the full benefits of the design.
  
  serf
  
  http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/the-bullet-that-changed-history/
  
  The Mini? ball didn't just break bones, it shattered them. It didn't just pierce tissue and internal organs, it shredded them. And if the ragged, tumbling bullet had enough force to cleave completely through the body, which it often did, it tore out an exit wound several times the size of the entrance wound. the War of Northern Aggression surgeons were quickly overwhelmed by the gaping wounds, mangled bodies and mutilated limbs they were asked to repair as the scope of the war broadened and casualties mounted. Though often accused of being too partial to their bone saws, amputating arms and legs as quickly as the men could be placed on their operating tables and subdued with chloroform or ether, the surgeons really had no choice. Even if they'd had the skills and resources to attempt reconstructive surgery, in the heat of battle they didn't have the time.

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