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Late pre64 Winchester model 1894.

callaojoe
I picked up a pretty nice 1894 carbine last year, at the time the guy told me it had DOM of 1963. When I got the rifle home, and looked it up, I saw somewhere that the last serial number for 1963 was 25860000. My rifle is about 120 past that.... Does that make it a 1964 DOM pre64? If so, does that add any value, I have seen this posted a couple of places...."In mid-1964, the manufacturing of the 94 was changed in order to make the firearm less expensive to produce. Generally referred to as "pre-64" models, the earlier versions command a premium price over post-change rifles. The limited number of early-1964 production models produced prior to the changeover are considered quite desirable, as they are considered by many to represent the ending of an era. I am debating the sale of this rifle, and just not sure what it's worth.... It's in very good condition, although not what I would call "collector" grade.

thanks
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  • Dokey
    Bert H would be the one to ask
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  • perry shooter
    DOES THE BOTTOM OF THE RECEIVER HAVE A SCREW NEAR THE COCKING LEVER
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  • Spider7115
    According to Bert's thread http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=245213, the last 94 manufactured in 1963 was actually 2,600,011. Based on those numbers, yours should be a Pre-1964 model.
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  • callaojoe
    quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
    DOES THE BOTTOM OF THE RECEIVER HAVE A SCREW NEAR THE COCKING LEVER



    Yes, it's a pre64 through and through. And I read that thread about 1963 ending in 2600011, but I have read on many other sites, that 2586000 was the last 63, and there were some rifles made in 1964, that were pre-64 in construction.

    For instance, this site puts it at 1964.
    http://oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php

    This site, says... The serial # from my gun, was not used, but obviously it was. [:D]

    http://guncollectionsonline.com/winchestermodel94.htm

    This site, says 1963 ends with 2586000. It also says...
    "Production figures for 1943 1948 and 1964 are unknown. Later figures from 1948 on are from records at U.S. Repeating Arms, and may be off one year, especially for the years 71 , 72, 74,75, 76, and 79."

    http://www.proofhouse.com/win/index.html

    My rifle has a serial number of 2586117, so at the very least, it appears to be one of the last pre-64's made. Just not 100% for sure what year it was made...
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  • Bert H.
    The information you found on the internet stating that serial number 2586000 was the last pre-64 was all copied from one source, and unfortunately, the one source was not accurate. Pre-1964 production for the Model 94 ended with serial number 2600011 in February of 1963. Production of the Post-63 Model 94 Carbines began in early 1964 at serial number 2700000. All serial numbers in the 2600012 - 2699999 were skipped.

    For those looking for an accurate source of Winchester DOM information available on the internet, add this website link to your Favorites or Bookmarks list - http://winchestercollector.org/dates/

    I created the tables used for it directly from the original Winchester serialization records at the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM). If you desire more than just the year of manufacture, contact the CFM records office for a DOM letter, or a Factory letter.
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  • Bert H.
    As a further point of interest in regards to this topic, the following is a current list of late production Pre-1964 Model 94 Carbines that I have surveyed (and I just added 2586117).

    2586056 2591051 2594027 2596841 2599694
    2586117 2591326 2594095 2596850 2599711
    2586383 2591523 2594172 2596926 2599844
    2586983 2591723 2594195 2596951 2599855
    2587356 2591856 2594370 2596976 2599964
    2587637 2592163 2594489 2597259 2600010
    2587662 2592371 2594584 2597000 2600011
    2587809 2592399 2594774 2597940
    2587879 2592543 2594915 2598210
    2588379 2592862 2595654 2598428
    2588435 2592886 2595678 2598534
    2588561 2592991 2595954 2598632
    2589495 2593258 2595962 2598670
    2589521 2593268 2596000 2598708
    2589878 2593301 2596152 2599105
    2590157 2593575 2596366 2599405
    2590342 2593629 2596448 2599500
    2590725 2593867 2596537 2599511
    2590750 2593922 2596546 2599577
    2591028 2594001 2596831 2599632
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  • callaojoe
    OK thanks for the info.

    There is a lot of confusing information out there, including information that some pre64's were actually made in 1964....

    So, you are saying, all pre64 model 1894 production stopped in February of 1963....

    I had not read that before. So thanks.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by callaojoe
    OK thanks for the info.

    There is a lot of confusing information out there, including information that some pre64's were actually made in 1964....

    So, you are saying, all pre64 model 1894 production stopped in February of 1963....

    I had not read that before. So thanks.


    Yes, that is correct. Serial numbers 2600010 & 2600011 were shipped as a pair in February of 1963.
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  • callaojoe
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.


    Yes, that is correct. Serial numbers 2600010 & 2600011 were shipped as a pair in February of 1963.


    I had read something about those two rifles, but thought they were made later than that. Thanks again for the info.
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  • Levers
    Originally posted by Bert H.
    The information you found on the internet stating that serial number 2586000 was the last pre-64 was all copied from one source, and unfortunately, the one source was not accurate. Pre-1964 production for the Model 94 ended with serial number 2600011 in February of 1963. Production of the Post-63 Model 94 Carbines began in early 1964 at serial number 2700000. All serial numbers in the 2600012 - 2699999 were skipped.

    For those looking for an accurate source of Winchester DOM information available on the internet, add this website link to your Favorites or Bookmarks list - http://winchestercollector.org/dates/

    I created the tables used for it directly from the original Winchester serialization records at the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM). If you desire more than just the year of manufacture, contact the CFM records office for a DOM letter, or a Factory l

    Bert,
    Can you tell me where the date info comes from that is found the Oldguns.net site? Those dates do not correspond to those found at the link you posted above. Thanks,

    Mark
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Levers
    Bert,

    Can you tell me where the date info comes from that is found the Oldguns.net site? Those dates do not correspond to those found at the link you posted above. Thanks,

    Mark


    Mark,

    The information on the website you mention (and on most other websites for that matter) was copied from the published works of George Madis. Unfortunately, he did not refer to, or use the actual Winchester serialization records. In the past several years, I have written several articles about this very topic, dicussing the discrepancies in his reference books, and where the correct (verified) information can be found and used. Starting in 2006, I spent the next few years putting together a new reference document that I later used in "The RED BOOK of WINCHESTER Values" (chapter 8), first published in 2011. Since that time, I have updated and refined it, and then republished it in the 2nd and 3rd editions of the Red Book. Continuing research has found a few more items to add to chapter 8 for the upcoming 4th edition. The serial number look-up tool on the WACA website was built using the serial number information I compiled from the original Winchester records at the Cody Firearms Museum.
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  • Levers
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Originally posted by Levers
    Bert,

    Can you tell me where the date info comes from that is found the Oldguns.net site? Those dates do not correspond to those found at the link you posted above. Thanks,

    Mark


    Mark,

    The information on the website you mention (and on most other websites for that matter) was copied from the published works of George Madis. Unfortunately, he did not refer to, or use the actual Winchester serialization records. In the past several years, I have written several articles about this very topic, dicussing the discrepancies in his reference books, and where the correct (verified) information can be found and used. Starting in 2006, I spent the next few years putting together a new reference document that I later used in "The RED BOOK of WINCHESTER Values" (chapter 8), first published in 2011. Since that time, I have updated and refined it, and then republished it in the 2nd and 3rd editions of the Red Book. Continuing research has found a few more items to add to chapter 8 for the upcoming 4th edition. The serial number look-up tool on the WACA website was built using the serial number information I compiled from the original Winchester records at the Cody Firearms Museum.

    Bert,
    I was aware of your book and figured the dates I referred to came from Madis but thank you for the clarification. It is an interesting comparison.

    Mark
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