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DPWLHR01
Hi Forum,

I recently joined GunBroker and plan to list a couple rifles and pistols. After reading the info for new sellers, I'm still not 100% confident I know all the requirements. I'm hoping that someone could give me the rundown in ultra simplified form, on exactly what paperwork is needed (i.e. the buyer must provide the seller with xxx and the seller must provide the buyer with xxx). My main reason for asking is because I want to ensure I don't put the guns in the hands of someone who can't legally own it!

If I had to guess, I'd think the process would be something like this:

- Buyer faxes copy of their FFL dealer's license and a filled out Pistol Sales Record Form
- Seller fills in seller portion of Pistol Sales Record Form and faxes a copy back to buyer
- Seller mails pistol to FFL dealer
- The buyer goes to the FFL dealer and fills out the necessary paperwork required by the FFL dealer to perform the transfer (background check performed if required)
- FFL dealer provides the pistol and Pistol Sales Record Form to the buyer
- Buyer takes the Pistol Sales Record Form to local sheriff's office, as required

Please kindly correct my mistakes and/or fill in the gaps!

Thanks in advance for your help!

Dave L
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  • rufe-snow
    All that is required from you is to ship the firearm, to a FFL dealer. After you are in possession of his FFL license. And you have received payment in full.

    Depending on if it is a rifle/shot gun, you can send it through the
    USPS. Handguns have to be shipped through UPS or FedEx, if you are not a dealer.

    Once the FFL dealer receives it, on the other end. It becomes up to him to do all the paperwork, required in the State/City he is located in.
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  • Herschel
    rufew-snnow's concise explanation works for most states.

    CA has an additional requirement for guns going into that state.
    The shipping dealer has to be registered with the CA Dept. of Justice and must get a number to provide the receiving dealer in CA for each
    firearm shipped into CA. This additional requirement causes many seller to mention no sales to CA.
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  • DPWLHR01
    Thanks for the responses fellas!! This is great info. So if I understand correctly, I just need to confirm I'm shipping to a legitimate FFL dealer, via taking receipt of their license. Then, once the dealer has possession of the firearm, it's up to the dealer to verify providing the gun to the individual meets the laws of the particular state.

    This spawns a follow up question. Let's say the buyer actually can't own the gun for some particular reason. How will the FFL dealer respond. Would I have to pay shipping to take back possession?

    Dave
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by DPWLHR01
    Thanks for the responses fellas!! This is great info. So if I understand correctly, I just need to confirm I'm shipping to a legitimate FFL dealer, via taking receipt of their license. Then, once the dealer has possession of the firearm, it's up to the dealer to verify providing the gun to the individual meets the laws of the particular state.

    This spawns a follow up question. Let's say the buyer actually can't own the gun for some particular reason. How will the FFL dealer respond. Would I have to pay shipping to take back possession?

    Dave


    The BATF has a web-site that allows you to check a dealers license. If the dealers license isn't current, or has been revoked. You don't do business with him. Simple as that.

    If the buyer is prohibited possessor. And cannot pass the requirements , to obtain the gun from the FFL. You don't have to do a dam thing. You got his money, and he has no legal standing in obtaining a refund from you.

    In the goodness of your heart. Only give him his money back. If your receive the gun back from the FFL. In the same condition you sent it. With all the fees used to pay the dealer, and shipping to be paid up front by the buyer.
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  • nmyers
    A couple of omissions above.

    In your ad, be sure to state "Be sure that your FFL will receive this gun from a non-licensee; I will include a photocopy of my drivers license with the gun."

    The buyer can fax you a copy of his FFL's license, or a photocopy pdf, or he can just give you the dealer's license number. Verify it here:
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/applications-ffl-ez-check

    I've never heard of a "pistol sales record form". The buyer can print out a copy of the auction for his records. If you want to write a receipt for him, that's up to you; any state/local registration is up to his FFL to complete, not you.

    If the buyer ignored the warning I gave you in my first paragraph, shame on him. You have his money, you shipped the gun to his dealer; it's no longer your problem, unless the gun was not properly described by you.

    Shipping a handgun by UPS or FedEx Next Day Air is expensive. If you have a relationship with a local dealer, you may be able to pay him to ship for you by USPS & save money.

    Neal

    EDIT: FedEx Office stores are owned by FedEx. You can ship firearms from any of them, at the same outrageous rate as from a hub. UPS Stores are independently owned, charge whatever they want, & won't accept firearms, but, if they do, & they are lost or damaged, accept no responsibility.
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  • toad67
    Been explained pretty well above, but just a few more points. As rufe mentioned, if it's a pistol, and you ship it, it must go FedEx or UPS. But it must go air, from a hub store (not your local shop) and that's spendy, probably $65-$85 or so. You'd probably be better off going to a local FFL and pay him to send it USPS Priority Mail. Also for the long guns I've found out that some of my local FedEx/UPS franchise stores won't take long guns so you might want to do a little homework. Also, make sure you specify what types of payment you take, and if there's a warranty/inspection period. It's not that tough to do, and it sounds like you're on the right track. Good Luck.

    Todd
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  • DPWLHR01
    Much thanks to all for the feedback.
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  • DPWLHR01
    Is the process basically the same if I am shipping to a buyer who has a C&R License? I just verify their C&R license then ship to their home address?
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by DPWLHR01
    Is the process basically the same if I am shipping to a buyer who has a C&R License? I just verify their C&R license then ship to their home address?



    No. C & R licenses are not accepted by some States and Cities. Because of this, some sellers won't even ship to a C & R licensee. Because it's so much of a hassle to try and figure out. Great care has to be exercised. Because if you ship a C & R gun to one of these places. You might be putting yourself in legal jeopardy.
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  • He Dog
    It may also be cheaper to ship through an FFL than to ship yourself. My transfer FFL charges $20 + shipping cost to ship for me, usually around $40-$50 total. If I take it to Brown or Fed-ex it costs $80.
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    "Is the process basically the same if I am shipping to a buyer who has a C&R License? ".................as Rufe pointed out a C&R will require a little more 'leg' work, you can check weather a C&R is ok to ship to at the ATf's web site, if you want to check if it is valid you will have to call the atf. Generaly if a C&R holder has a bunch of good feed back you don't have to call.
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