7 things I already no about u if you vote 4 trump
don't know who this sem guy is but it was a C&P on CL;
If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You
By SemDem
Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.
This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain't none of them good.
Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:
1. You want to be ruled, not governed.
The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.
Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to "make America great again" by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.
So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.
2. You have no class.
Seriously. You don't. I'm sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don't know how to sugar-coat it.
It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.
And please. Don't tell me that you didn't know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.
3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.
Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?
I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me--but Trump?
You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.
4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.
Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like "@WhiteGenocideTM," and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.
Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don't share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.
5. You have an issue with women.
Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O'Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn't think twice about calling women "pigs" or "dogs" is not someone I want to deal with.
I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don't give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn't trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can't very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a "D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can't even meet that, along with this person's supporters.
6. You aren't really Christian.
Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it's pretty clear on this. (Or if you can't be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God's forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:
I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.
And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.
7. You don't believe in the Constitution
For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn't follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn't like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump's supporters.
That's the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle--nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.
Now, I will always be nice, but I won't respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.
And good day, sir.
my reply
title; And I know one thing about both candidates .. (Zombieland)
we are FVCKED either way we go. On the one hand we have Trump,
the narcissistic unknown as to what would transpire under his presidency
and on the other hand Hillery, a narcissistic known.
we don't really know what Trump will be like, maybe a hitler like the chicken
littles of the world claim, or just maybe he won't be and will get nothing done
or he get's a few of the things done that he promises.
Then we have Hillery who we know is a total hitler when the cameras aren't
on her and we know she won't have a problem taking us further into debt, and
we know she has little regard for half of us "deplorables". we know she hates
anybody who's not a progressive and she detests Christians, gun owners,
right to life people, cops, and our on military.
sorry, but the "known" Hillery scares the hell out of most sane people and makes
us unwilling supporters of the unknown Trump.
so claiming to know 7 things about Trump supporters is flat out Bull chit for
the most part.
so what if white racists vote Trump?
BLM and black panthers, and anarchists are voting for Hillery.
doesn't make any of us EITHER of those things.
and if you think it does then my friend you are admitting to being a atheist anarchist
who wants to see dead cops in the street and dead babies in the dumpster.
our choices this time around are between the devil and jim jones - God help us.
but I choose to try the unknown Trump because it can't (probably) be worse than
the known Hillery.
the best place to be these days is on your knees.
If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You
By SemDem
Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.
This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain't none of them good.
Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:
1. You want to be ruled, not governed.
The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.
Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to "make America great again" by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.
So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.
2. You have no class.
Seriously. You don't. I'm sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don't know how to sugar-coat it.
It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.
And please. Don't tell me that you didn't know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.
3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.
Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?
I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me--but Trump?
You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.
4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.
Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like "@WhiteGenocideTM," and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.
Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don't share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.
5. You have an issue with women.
Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O'Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn't think twice about calling women "pigs" or "dogs" is not someone I want to deal with.
I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don't give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn't trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can't very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a "D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can't even meet that, along with this person's supporters.
6. You aren't really Christian.
Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it's pretty clear on this. (Or if you can't be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God's forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:
I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.
And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.
7. You don't believe in the Constitution
For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn't follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn't like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump's supporters.
That's the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle--nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.
Now, I will always be nice, but I won't respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.
And good day, sir.
my reply
title; And I know one thing about both candidates .. (Zombieland)
we are FVCKED either way we go. On the one hand we have Trump,
the narcissistic unknown as to what would transpire under his presidency
and on the other hand Hillery, a narcissistic known.
we don't really know what Trump will be like, maybe a hitler like the chicken
littles of the world claim, or just maybe he won't be and will get nothing done
or he get's a few of the things done that he promises.
Then we have Hillery who we know is a total hitler when the cameras aren't
on her and we know she won't have a problem taking us further into debt, and
we know she has little regard for half of us "deplorables". we know she hates
anybody who's not a progressive and she detests Christians, gun owners,
right to life people, cops, and our on military.
sorry, but the "known" Hillery scares the hell out of most sane people and makes
us unwilling supporters of the unknown Trump.
so claiming to know 7 things about Trump supporters is flat out Bull chit for
the most part.
so what if white racists vote Trump?
BLM and black panthers, and anarchists are voting for Hillery.
doesn't make any of us EITHER of those things.
and if you think it does then my friend you are admitting to being a atheist anarchist
who wants to see dead cops in the street and dead babies in the dumpster.
our choices this time around are between the devil and jim jones - God help us.
but I choose to try the unknown Trump because it can't (probably) be worse than
the known Hillery.
the best place to be these days is on your knees.
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if i wanted hillery for president and was going to vote for her, i sure would not be on this site flapping my gums about it. with what she wants to do to the second admendment and our gun rights(she talks about out in the open) is a god dam* shame. with just replacing the judges on the SC she will have been able to alter the laws of the land for decades to come on many things along with the second admendment! if you can,t see the difference between hillery and trump, you should have your eye,s checked. we just can,t afford to sit this election out. mr myopic. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
quote:
Couple of things.
Firstly, McCain and Romney gave us Obama. If every third party vote had gone to either of them, Obama still would have won.
Secondly, I don't see any more or less danger in a Clinton Presidency over a Trump Presidency. They both want complete control of your life by the Federal Government. They both want to increase federal spending, provide child care, force maternity leave and family upon employers or taxpayers, etc.
If you really believe Trump is a good, decent and trustworthy man, vote for him.. If you do not, why would you think him any better than Hillary?
SUPREME COURT judges
So you believe Trump has hard and fast principles regarding such things as the 2nd Amendment, Small Government, Individual Liberties, etc.?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
this 15% is on top of the SS and Medicare. How does someone with a $40K net income after all deductions end up with a tax bill of $11K? I have never, never in all the years I've been 1099 have ever seen a tax bill that high. As the tax preparer explained this is the ACA biting me, my tax bill is double what it has ever been. When I worked for FPI in Kuwait I was making $175K annual income, only $90K of that was tax free so I paid taxes on $85K, my tax bill was just over $5K with no deductions.
Please explain this. I'm making less money, half of what I made and my tax bill doubled. It doubled because of obama and the ACA.
Now, you know me well enough to know I will post personal info here, when I get home you want me to take pics of my returns for you amd thousands of others to see what the difference is with the ACA?
Why do we have th ACA? Because of people like you who allowed obama to be elected. It will only get worse with hillary and you smile knowing you will gladly help hillary win.
I don't care if Howard Stern runs under a rep ticket, anybody and I mean anybody gets my vote over hillary. Trump is the only one who can beat her, nobody else can. I will gladly take my chances with Trump over hillary.
You just don't understand me, I hate hillary with a passion. If rhe news announced she just stroked out and died I would celebrate. Hate is a strong word, I hate her and everything she stands for. Voting in a manner that would allow her to win, I would commit suicide before I vote for her.
Go Trump
I don't need to see your 1040, BSR.
Mayhaps you should have your accountant review the attached link:
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/self-employment-tax-social-security-and-medicare-taxes#1
From the link:
What is Self-Employment Tax?
Self-employment tax is a tax consisting of Social Security and Medicare taxes primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners.
You figure self-employment tax (SE tax) yourself using Schedule SE (Form 1040). Social Security and Medicare taxes of most wage earners are figured by their employers. Also you can deduct the employer-equivalent portion of your SE tax in figuring your adjusted gross income. Wage earners cannot deduct Social Security and Medicare taxes.
FWIW, your tax bill did not double because of the ACA. Being self employed, you are paying the full 15%+ of the FICA/Medicare burden as compared to half of it as a wage earner, but that has nothing to do with the ACA.0 -
i,m not sure of how trump will act on out rights reguarding the second admendment or the other admendments, BUT I DO KNOW FOR SURE HOW HILLERY WILL ACT AS SHE HAS ALREADY TOLD US MANY TIMES IN THE PAST ABOUT HER FEELING ON THE SECOND ADMENDMENT AND OTHERS. she has said she will put up judges for the SC that agree with her liberal ideas on how to run this great country into the dirt. there is no choice other than trump right now, if you are tired of the way oboma has run the country, we know hillery will go down the same road. mr myopic. 0 -
If Hillary is elected it will be a third term of Obama except she gets to nominate a Supreme Court justice which will be the death sentence to the Second amendment since there are four other justices that don't believe the Second Amendment is an individual right. Without a Republican majority to over ride here veto's or executive orders, it will be more of the same if not worse. We can count on more regulations coming out of Washington to control us and stifle job creation.
The plus side to Trump being elected is that there are so many REPUBLICANS that don't like him that they will work with the Democrats to prevent him from doing anything he wants. He will actually have to work with Congress to get things done and if he tries anything too shady they will impeach him which would put Pence in the office.0 -
anybody here looked at the new,(though incomplete) list of taxes to be implemented by hildabeast upon getting crowned ???? better wake up 0 -
i don,t care if trump was a cad or is a cad, hillery has been worse and is worse for this country by a long shot. the tape is 10-11 years old and was not just a open mike,it was recorded to be used in the future against a very rich man for money, as it turns out it was paid for by others to kill his chances for the potus. the hillery crap that is comming out was not done 10-11 years ago, but since she was in public office as a public servant durning oboma,s terms. mr myopic. 0 -
hillary = BLM
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quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Golly, Lonnie,
... You may disagree with her and not trust her as I do, ...
You "TRUST" Clinton????? Good Lord Don, I just cannot fathom the raw, blind, Denial you are operating under.0
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