Mossberg Shockwave (cont'd):
Re-opening this, because I think there is an important point not mentioned in the last thread.
Just because the BATFE doesn't consider a 26" overall length shotgun with a 14" barrel and pistol grip to be a "short barreled shotgun" DOES NOT mean that individual STATES are OK with this.
In most cases, State law is parallel to Federal, but not everywhere. If a local dealer sells you one, its *probably* OK (usually dealers are pretty cognizant of what's legal and what isn't), but before you take one of these into your State you have to check your State law to make sure this is something OK to own.
quote:On that 870: I take it there is something that would prevent taking that 14" barrel off and installing in on a standard 870 shotgun?
Mechanically, I think its not a hard thing to do. What's stopping you is only the law and your conscience. [;)]
If you put a short barrel onto a STOCKED gun, that's a short-barrelled shotgun and illegal everywhere.
You are legally allowed to do this *IF* you the paperwork, register the gun with the feds, pay the tax, etc, BEFORE building assembling the gun. But again, SBS is not legal in every State. Check before building.
As an aside, personally, I think shotguns work better with stocks. Stock makes the gun much more pointable/aimable, makes the gun much more controllable in recoil, and also provides an index for you to push against when you work the slide.
I can see why people like the idea of these things (part of it is the "Cuban cigar principle". . .they're more interesting mostly because of quasi-illegality) but I think for 95%+ of applications either a conventional "riot" (has stock and 18" bbl) shotgun or handgun will be more practical.
Just because the BATFE doesn't consider a 26" overall length shotgun with a 14" barrel and pistol grip to be a "short barreled shotgun" DOES NOT mean that individual STATES are OK with this.
In most cases, State law is parallel to Federal, but not everywhere. If a local dealer sells you one, its *probably* OK (usually dealers are pretty cognizant of what's legal and what isn't), but before you take one of these into your State you have to check your State law to make sure this is something OK to own.
quote:On that 870: I take it there is something that would prevent taking that 14" barrel off and installing in on a standard 870 shotgun?
Mechanically, I think its not a hard thing to do. What's stopping you is only the law and your conscience. [;)]
If you put a short barrel onto a STOCKED gun, that's a short-barrelled shotgun and illegal everywhere.
You are legally allowed to do this *IF* you the paperwork, register the gun with the feds, pay the tax, etc, BEFORE building assembling the gun. But again, SBS is not legal in every State. Check before building.
As an aside, personally, I think shotguns work better with stocks. Stock makes the gun much more pointable/aimable, makes the gun much more controllable in recoil, and also provides an index for you to push against when you work the slide.
I can see why people like the idea of these things (part of it is the "Cuban cigar principle". . .they're more interesting mostly because of quasi-illegality) but I think for 95%+ of applications either a conventional "riot" (has stock and 18" bbl) shotgun or handgun will be more practical.
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quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
Re-opening this, because I think there is an important point not mentioned in the last thread.
Just because the BATFE doesn't consider a 26" overall length shotgun with a 14" barrel and pistol grip to be a "short barreled shotgun" DOES NOT mean that individual STATES are OK with this.
In most cases, State law is parallel to Federal, but not everywhere. If a local dealer sells you one, its *probably* OK (usually dealers are pretty cognizant of what's legal and what isn't), but before you take one of these into your State you have to check your State law to make sure this is something OK to own.
quote:On that 870: I take it there is something that would prevent taking that 14" barrel off and installing in on a standard 870 shotgun?
Mechanically, I think its not a hard thing to do. What's stopping you is only the law and your conscience. [;)]
If you put a short barrel onto a STOCKED gun, that's a short-barrelled shotgun and illegal everywhere.
You are legally allowed to do this *IF* you the paperwork, register the gun with the feds, pay the tax, etc, BEFORE building assembling the gun. But again, SBS is not legal in every State. Check before building.
As an aside, personally, I think shotguns work better with stocks. Stock makes the gun much more pointable/aimable, makes the gun much more controllable in recoil, and also provides an index for you to push against when you work the slide.
I can see why people like the idea of these things (part of it is the "Cuban cigar principle". . .they're more interesting mostly because of quasi-illegality) but I think for 95%+ of applications either a conventional "riot" (has stock and 18" bbl) shotgun or handgun will be more practical.
Folks in CA are scrambling to figure out a way to get these into or in CA. On 30 March 17 CA DOJ issued a "these are an SBS regardless of whatever else you've heard" to CA FFLs. Doing 4473 as "other" or meeting AOW requirements doesn't, at least for now, matter much. Admittedly CA is among the worst. My Bond derringer 45 Colt/410 barrel is alone, no gun attached, considered an SBS in CA.
As we've seen with "once a rifle always a rifle" going away and the "don't shoulder your pistol brace" ATF reversal, I suppose we'll see what evolves on the state level with these things.0 -
From previous question "what prevents someone from taking the 14" barrel and putting it on a shotgun with a buttstock?" (to make SBS)
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They are not designed so that you can not install a shoulder stock.
What prevents someone from cutting a barrel down to 14" with a hacksaw?
Some pretty silly comments and questions in this thread.
Yes-you can install a shoulder stock-but the gun would be illegal without a tax stamp.
You could put the 14" barrel on a stocked receiver, but again-without a tax stamp it would be illegal.
As the gun is made, it is not illegal under federal law.0
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