Blackhawk in 30 carbine, why not?
I want one, I have a Marlin 62 in 30 carbine.
I keep hearing that they're flame throwers and ear splitters.
still want one, owners please chip in.
I keep hearing that they're flame throwers and ear splitters.
still want one, owners please chip in.
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I cant hear you [:0][;)][}:)] Oh wait I shot a blackhawk in 30 carbine
twice carry on I am a slow learner smart people would only shoot one once.[:I]editEDIT sorry my original post was a vain attempt to get across that the muzzle blast is un believable loud0 -
quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
I cant hear you [:0][;)][}:)] Oh wait I shot a blackhawk in 30 carbine
twice carry on I am a slow learner smart people would only shoot one once.[:I]
I mostly like what you post. I'm asking for info about a pistol.
what can you tell me about a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 carbine?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I don't shoot mine without protection, but wouldn't call it an 'ear splitter'.
Don't really notice the flame while shooting either, unless shooting at dusk, but it is a flame thrower.
The classic look of the Blackhawk is nice, but one you get it, you will need to get an AMT III and of course, if you do not have one, a USGI M1 Carbine.
Edit:
From my experience, probably 100 rounds or so through it, the recoil is very manageable, and it is as accurate a pistol as any. Obviously with the amount of unburned propellant exiting the muzzle, you won't get the performance from the round that you get out of your Marlin, but I would think it will be accurate enough for any distance that one would reasonably expect.
You know about ammo pricing, so that won't be a surprise.0 -
I've had a couple a few years apart, bought them to go along with an early Inland folder and Marlin 62 - I still have the Inland and the Marlin.
The problem with any factory ammo I used was cases sticking in the BH chamber. In 3 chambers, no problem. In one, a little sticky and in two it was "remove the cylinder, wooden dowel time" without fail. Reloading minimized the problem, but part of my reason for buying the set up was to plink with relatively inexpensive factory ammo. At least it seems less expensive 6 rounds at a time instead of zipping through a 30 round magazine.0 -
I have a automag III and it will do alot better when using pistol powder,you can get loading info for your Blackhawk,just mark them so you dont use them in a carbine 0 -
Tflogger,
Here's the problem with using original factory .30 Carbine ammunition:
"(1) The first real problem with Carbine accuracy is the so-so level of ammunition development. The various 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, and early LC70-72 era USGI ammos were made to go bang and cycle. None
of them used accurate bullets. The Korean PSD 80 series of ammo is far more accurate and yet will have flyers. As a starting reference for an accurate handload of known properties, Winchester-Western published a
loading for the .30 M1 Carbine using their WW296. This loading has been quite satisfactory over a long period of time. WW296 was developed specifically for loading Carbine ammunition. The Winchester
WW296 loading duplicates the original USGI ammunition specifications.
The exact Winchester load is:
Powder: Winchester WW296 15.0 grains (considered maximum, do not exceed)
Bullet: Winchester 110 grain hollow soft point
Cases: WW used for data
Primers: WSR used for data
Specifications: 1980 feet per second at 36,000 C.U.P pressure in a 20" barrel.
This matches the USGI velocity spec of 1970 feet per second and is well under the 40,000 C.U.P. pressure spec.
The load has been observed to function any carbine that would work with anything else. A rare few seem to not work well with any load.
Experienced handloaders have noted that the substitution of a full metal jacket round nose bullet such as Remington bulk or Sierra boxed makes no observable difference in velocity or pressure. Likewise,
considering the accuracy potential of the Carbines, it has been not
ed that the use of other cases including
mixed lots of Lake City LC, Winchester WW, Remington RP, and Korean PSD makes no observable difference in velocity, pressure, or accuracy. The ignition of WW296, when used in super cold weather, may benefit from the substitution of small rifle magnum primers. Shooters rarely venture out in such cold weather that it matters. "
I thought the last sentence was hysterical by the way...[:D]
Succinctly stated, the use of a rifle powder to achieve function through a gas actuated rifle, is not the ideal solution for using this same ammunition in a revolver having a 6" barrel.
Factory ammunition will exhibit severe muzzle flash due to the super heated plasma exiting the muzzle of a shorter barrel. The ejecta or excess unburned powder is simply a wasted element from using rifle ammunition.
The obvious solution is to load your ammunition using a proper pistol powder and bullet combination suited to the shorter barrel.
I have a Winchester M1 Carbine which I occasionally shoot but I also have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine as well. I reload for the Blackhawk and make sure to keep that ammunition separate from the factory ammunition I use in the Winchester.
Best.0 -
I have a Blackhawk .30 Carbine and an AMT Automag .30 Carbine. They are fun to shoot, recoil about like a .357 mag, but you might want to double up on the hearing protection. 0 -
If it's too loud, you're too old!
And you forgot those muffs on your belt[:D]0 -
I have one that I picked up years ago at a good price. Nobody else wanted it. Something about 3 foot of flame out the barrel (in daylight) makes it fun to shoot! It is a little rough on the ears though........... 0 -
If you reload for it, you will soon experience it's only downside: sensitivity to case OAL. Neck size the brass & trim to the short end of length tolerance. 0 -
An old friend asked me what I thought of them at a gun show last Saturday. I told him to pick up some more ear protection while he was there. He bought the Ruger and a new set of electronic muffs! Guess he believed me. [:D] 0
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