Suppressors, how do they work?
Well I've been thinking about getting a new plinking gun for around the farm. My brother has sold me on pistol caliber carbines, easy to control relatively cheap ammo. Not perfect but it'll drop a coyote. I'm thinking why not go all out and suppress it, who likes noise?
Problem is I've never even used a suppressed firearm before, suppressors are expensive, and the process is time consuming. So I need to get my ducks in a row before I start.
I'm leaving towards a CZ Scorpion carbine and just replacing the faux suppressor. Reasonable price and I only need one tax stamp.
I've read that I should avoid suppressing an AR platform unless I want to get blasted in the face more often then Jenna Jameson. Apparently a lot of gas is redirected through the charging handle when you put a can on an AR, is this true?
I've heard good things about 9mm ARs, and I have a passing familiarity with the platform I'd like to put it back on the possibilities list. My goal is something that is just fun to shoot, trading noise for a face full of carbon, not better.
Ammunition am I just looking for anything moving slower than 1125 FPS or is there a sweet spot for the velocity of a round you're firing?
If subsonic is subsonic then I need to consider 45 ACP options as it is subsonic by default.
Is slower better, does running higher pressure ammo adversely affect the life of the suppressor? How much sonic boom does a 9mm 115 fmj make anyway?
Any suppressed pistol caliber carbine's that you've used that you'd suggest I look at before picking a gun?
Problem is I've never even used a suppressed firearm before, suppressors are expensive, and the process is time consuming. So I need to get my ducks in a row before I start.
I'm leaving towards a CZ Scorpion carbine and just replacing the faux suppressor. Reasonable price and I only need one tax stamp.
I've read that I should avoid suppressing an AR platform unless I want to get blasted in the face more often then Jenna Jameson. Apparently a lot of gas is redirected through the charging handle when you put a can on an AR, is this true?
I've heard good things about 9mm ARs, and I have a passing familiarity with the platform I'd like to put it back on the possibilities list. My goal is something that is just fun to shoot, trading noise for a face full of carbon, not better.
Ammunition am I just looking for anything moving slower than 1125 FPS or is there a sweet spot for the velocity of a round you're firing?
If subsonic is subsonic then I need to consider 45 ACP options as it is subsonic by default.
Is slower better, does running higher pressure ammo adversely affect the life of the suppressor? How much sonic boom does a 9mm 115 fmj make anyway?
Any suppressed pistol caliber carbine's that you've used that you'd suggest I look at before picking a gun?
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300 Blackout/Whisper. Specifically with the heavy 210/230 grain bullets, made to be suppressed.
Depending on the twist of the rifling, weight of bullet etc. Unstable after impact. Saw a U-Tube video awhile back, of Hickock shootin gallon plastic soda bottles with this load. Because of the unstable bullets directly after impact, wrecked the bottles. Would due the same to a coyote.0 -
I wouldn't go that route. I have both Marin Camp 9 and Ruger PC9 carbines and will truthfully say that you're as well off with a 22 long rifle for "varmints around the farm". Even the best 9mm carbines are questionable on hitting a coyote sized varmint beyond 75 yards( 100 yards tops).
The 300AAC is very accurate, has the option of using sub or super sonic ammo, and is quiet suppressed (w/subsonic ammo). The super sonic 300 ammo isn't terribly loud suppressed and is adequate for varmints out to maybe 150 yards. Most subsonic 300 ammo just punches a .30 hole in whatever it hits although you may get an occasional spectacular tumble effect.
The comment about getting gas blasted by a suppressed AR is mostly BS. Just doesn't happen except under questionable circumstances. If you feel it's a serious possibility, $40 for a BCM "GasBuster" charging handle will prevent any chance.
Matter of fact, you might be better served by just getting an AR in .223 and a good suppressor. Even with common ammo, a suppressed 16" AR has the sound signature of a 16" 22lr.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
I wouldn't go that route. I have both Marin Camp 9 and Ruger PC9 carbines and will truthfully say that you're as well off with a 22 long rifle for "varmints around the farm". Even the best 9mm carbines are questionable on hitting a coyote sized varmint beyond 75 yards( 100 yards tops).
The 300AAC is very accurate, has the option of using sub or super sonic ammo, and is quiet suppressed (w/subsonic ammo). The super sonic 300 ammo isn't terribly loud suppressed and is adequate for varmints out to maybe 150 yards. Most subsonic 300 ammo just punches a .30 hole in whatever it hits although you may get an occasional spectacular tumble effect.
The comment about getting gas blasted by a suppressed AR is mostly BS. Just doesn't happen except under questionable circumstances. If you feel it's a serious possibility, $40 for a BCM "GasBuster" charging handle will prevent any chance.
Matter of fact, you might be better served by just getting an AR in .223 and a good suppressor. Even with common ammo, a suppressed 16" AR has the sound signature of a 16" 22lr.
Thank you, that answers one of my big questions, AR's can be suppressed.
My main interesting this next rifle is plinking, I tend to gravitate toward the 243 if I've got a real pest to deal with. I'm still thinking about a 9mm rifle for plinking 9mm is cheaper than 300 BLK. How have your two Camp 9 and PC 9 held up?0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
I wouldn't go that route. I have both Marin Camp 9 and Ruger PC9 carbines and will truthfully say that you're as well off with a 22 long rifle for "varmints around the farm". Even the best 9mm carbines are questionable on hitting a coyote sized varmint beyond 75 yards( 100 yards tops).
The 300AAC is very accurate, has the option of using sub or super sonic ammo, and is quiet suppressed (w/subsonic ammo). The super sonic 300 ammo isn't terribly loud suppressed and is adequate for varmints out to maybe 150 yards. Most subsonic 300 ammo just punches a .30 hole in whatever it hits although you may get an occasional spectacular tumble effect.
The comment about getting gas blasted by a suppressed AR is mostly BS. Just doesn't happen except under questionable circumstances. If you feel it's a serious possibility, $40 for a BCM "GasBuster" charging handle will prevent any chance.
Matter of fact, you might be better served by just getting an AR in .223 and a good suppressor. Even with common ammo, a suppressed 16" AR has the sound signature of a 16" 22lr.
Thank you, that answers one of my big questions, AR's can be suppressed.
My main interesting this next rifle is plinking, I tend to gravitate toward the 243 if I've got a real pest to deal with. I'm still thinking about a 9mm rifle for plinking 9mm is cheaper than 300 BLK. How have your two Camp 9 and PC 9 held up?
The nice thing about the AR platform, is that you can get a dedicated 22LR upper receiver to do your plinking with, then switch out to your 300 Blackout for your serious work. Changing the upper's is as simple as two pins out, and two pins back in.
A suppressor will tone down a supersonic round to the shooter, also. The nice thing about the Blackout, is that you can go either route...with the heavy subsonics to be all the way quiet, or go to the light weight super sonics, like the 110 grain Barnes bullet, and you have a deer gun, that is better than the 30-30.0 -
"How have your two Camp 9 and PC 9 held up?"
These have been relegated to more "play guns" than real using guns so don't get shot much. One of the major reasons for me having them is magazine interchange-ability-Camp 9 matches the S&W 9mm I used to carry and PC9 matches the P89/95 Rugers that I currently carry. At the time of purchase, they were a viable alternative to a rifle caliber carbine which would require different mags and ammo.
The Camp 9 OEM synthetic recoil buffer tends to become brittle and disintegrate. If you go that route, find and install one of the aftermarket buffers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
"How have your two Camp 9 and PC 9 held up?"
These have been relegated to more "play guns" than real using guns so don't get shot much. One of the major reasons for me having them is magazine interchange-ability-Camp 9 matches the S&W 9mm I used to carry and PC9 matches the P89/95 Rugers that I currently carry. At the time of purchase, they were a viable alternative to a rifle caliber carbine which would require different mags and ammo.
The Camp 9 OEM synthetic recoil buffer tends to become brittle and disintegrate. If you go that route, find and install one of the aftermarket buffers.
Far as I know, both the Marlin Camp 9 and Ruger PC 9 have been out of production for years. Don't know about the Ruger, but the Marlin has become a pricy collectors item. Likely it would cost, as much as a AR in 9mm if in excellent condition. Still cheaper, than the one Marlin made in 45 ACP though.
If the OP is determined to go for one of the pistol caliber carbines, that is still in production. Keltec has cornered the market. They make one with a folding stock that accepts Glock 9mm or 40 S & W hi-cap magazines. That have become extremely popular, specially in 9mm.0 -
I suggest that you first visit your local NFA dealer. Unless you are going to make your own can, you're going to have to buy it from him. Be sure that your dealer is a NFA REPAIR FACILITY, & buy everything from him, including ammo, assembly & testing. There are just too many things that you need to know, & he will work with you. You don't want to go to the range & find that your gun won't cycle, or you can't see the sights because they are obstructed by the can, or it's too noisy, or..... other problems.
Don't rely on a manufacturers' ad; the guys on this forum have real world experience that should help you. Be sure to SEARCH older forum discussions, using the key word SUPPRESSOR.
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gtech02,
quote:I've read that I should avoid suppressing an AR platform unless I want to get blasted in the face... Apparently a lot of gas is redirected through the charging handle when you put a can on an AR, is this true?
Just more of the BS from internet 'experts' who don't have the vaguest idea of what they are talking about.
Personally, I would wait a bit after Mr. Trump gains office and see if some of the NFA regs get tossed. This might make the price of suppressors come down a little and make them easier to own.
The AR15 is probably the most suppressed firearm in America right now.
quote:I've heard good things about 9mm ARs, and I have a passing familiarity with the platform I'd like to put it back on the possibilities list.
This is currently a fad right now but it comes down to why reduce the ability of the AR platform by using an upper chambered for the 9mm something? It is still a pistol cartridge being fired in a 16" barrel unless you pay the additional $200 tax stamp for an SBR. The performance isn't enhanced that much over what can be attained in a carry pistol without the tax. And the pistol can be suppressed also.
If plinking and coyotes were on the menu, I'd get an AR15 chambered for the .223/5.56mm and go have some fun. The Scorpion Carbine is running about $800 while the AR's are below that, some significantly. Besides, then you have the option of adding uppers as your desires change, for other cartridges.
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Spend some selecting your 'can'. I like ones that can be taken apart for service. I think it would be good to have a pistol and rifle that can works with both.
I had the chance to run full auto Uzi's in both 9mm and 45 ACP.
Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuch - tinkle, tinkle, tinkle as the spent brass hit the deck. I could hear the bolt cycling.0
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