CNG conversion vehicle
I have a car that has factory installed compressed natural gas (CNG) that is dedicated to only run on compressed natural gas.
I also converted my pickup to compressed natural gas that runs on both natural gas and regular gasoline, the only problem when you convert a vehicle to burn both CNG and regular gas or diesel, you have to put a restrictor in the air intake for the CNG. Which reduces your power when you burn regular gasoline. Plus you don't get as much power out of CNG as you do gasoline. Making it harder to pull heavy loads. Unless of course you convert a diesel motor, in which case you get more power because natural gas. Lot hotter than diesel.
To remedy this problem I have taken out the restrictor that the CNG needs to run properly. Then I bought an electric RV dump valve the same size as my air intake. I put the air intake reducer inside the electric RV dump valve and drill holes in the butterfly valve of the electric dump valve to correspond with the same size and location as the air intake reducer. Then I installed the electric dump valve in my air intake hose so that when I'm running CNG I can close it to get the proper air intake restriction to run to CNG, but when I want to run natural gas when I'm pulling heavy loads I opened it up so that the air is not restricted to have more power when I run gasoline to pull heavy loads...
That my son has a powerstroke that he has converted to run off at CNG also. That was a diesel engine, you cannot run 100% CNG. You can run it anywhere up to 75% CNG. But he runs it at a 50/50 mix of CNG and diesel so that he can make sure he have enough lubrication in the upper part of his engine.
the nice part about running CNG is that it will make your engine last about three times longer because it's so much cleaner burning then gasoline or dieselsl, plus CNG only costs $1.65. plus I have not noticed any reduction in fuel economy.
The only drawback with a CNG vehicle is that not all gas stations carry it. But in my neck of the woods, there are plenty of stations that do. Plus for a couple of grand you can buy a fill station that hooks up to your natural gas in your home, which makes the natural gas that you use in your vehicle a lot cheaper depending on the price that you pay for natural gas at your house,around here it would equate to about $0.25 per gallon. But you have to do a lot of driving to justify the cost of a home fill station, which I don't.
I also converted my pickup to compressed natural gas that runs on both natural gas and regular gasoline, the only problem when you convert a vehicle to burn both CNG and regular gas or diesel, you have to put a restrictor in the air intake for the CNG. Which reduces your power when you burn regular gasoline. Plus you don't get as much power out of CNG as you do gasoline. Making it harder to pull heavy loads. Unless of course you convert a diesel motor, in which case you get more power because natural gas. Lot hotter than diesel.
To remedy this problem I have taken out the restrictor that the CNG needs to run properly. Then I bought an electric RV dump valve the same size as my air intake. I put the air intake reducer inside the electric RV dump valve and drill holes in the butterfly valve of the electric dump valve to correspond with the same size and location as the air intake reducer. Then I installed the electric dump valve in my air intake hose so that when I'm running CNG I can close it to get the proper air intake restriction to run to CNG, but when I want to run natural gas when I'm pulling heavy loads I opened it up so that the air is not restricted to have more power when I run gasoline to pull heavy loads...
That my son has a powerstroke that he has converted to run off at CNG also. That was a diesel engine, you cannot run 100% CNG. You can run it anywhere up to 75% CNG. But he runs it at a 50/50 mix of CNG and diesel so that he can make sure he have enough lubrication in the upper part of his engine.
the nice part about running CNG is that it will make your engine last about three times longer because it's so much cleaner burning then gasoline or dieselsl, plus CNG only costs $1.65. plus I have not noticed any reduction in fuel economy.
The only drawback with a CNG vehicle is that not all gas stations carry it. But in my neck of the woods, there are plenty of stations that do. Plus for a couple of grand you can buy a fill station that hooks up to your natural gas in your home, which makes the natural gas that you use in your vehicle a lot cheaper depending on the price that you pay for natural gas at your house,around here it would equate to about $0.25 per gallon. But you have to do a lot of driving to justify the cost of a home fill station, which I don't.
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How many miles can you get between refills?
I have considered this, but it seems that range is fairly limited and refueling stations are not a common as gas stations.
Added question:
What pressure does the home fueling unit develop? I would think you need 2,000 PSI+ to make the system worthwhile.0 -
It depends on the size of your tank and the miles per gallon your vehicle gets, in my car I have a 8 gallon tank so about 320 miles. Plus I have a 5 gallon tank that I'm going to add to it to give me more range
In my pickup I have 2-20 gallon tanks and 2-8 gallon tanks, so I can Drive about 800-1000 miles before I need to refill in it...
It all depends on the size tank that you buy, and the miles per gallon that you get in your vehicle will dictate what your range will be.
Keep in mind your fuel economy won't go down in your vehicle. Or at least it didn't in my pickup, and my car actually gets better fuel economy running CNG than a gas powered vehicle the same year make and model..
As far as the pressure of a home fill unit goes, it depends on the pressure of what you're gas is coming in to your house. But yes it is well over 2000 PSI coming into your house. I know one guy in Utah that has a home fill and he can completely fill his 3600 PSI tank... But it does take quite a long time to fill because they do not run off of a pump, so it will take over night to fill a 20 gallon tank0 -
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
It depends on the size of your tank and the miles per gallon your vehicle gets, in my car I have a 8 gallon tank so about 320 miles. Plus I have a 5 gallon tank that I'm going to add to it to give me more range
In my pickup I have 2-20 gallon tanks and 2-8 gallon tanks, so I can Drive about 800-1000 miles before I need to refill in it...
It all depends on the size tank that you buy, and the miles per gallon that you get in your vehicle will dictate what your range will be.
Keep in mind your fuel economy won't go down in your vehicle. Or at least it didn't in my pickup, and my car actually gets better fuel economy running CNG than a gas powered vehicle the same year make and model..
I confused. 8 gallons of compressed gas is a lot less than 8 gallons of liquid. Unless you compress it into a liquid which makes in LNG and not CNG. Are the tanks gallon equivalent? Gut tells me that to replace a 20 gallon gas tank in my LR4 with an equivalent capacity of CNG, I would need 4 - 5 times the volume.0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Here in the midwest, never seen a fueling station with a CNG hookup ~ or a vehicle to burn CNG either.
Used to be some farmers with pickups/tractors equipped to burn Propane but they have faded away too. The local propane supplier did the conversions & all his delivery trucks used only propane.
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I never knew we had CNG fuel stations here in Utah until I got interested in CNG
If you want to see if there are any CNG filling stations in your area, download an app from your app store called "CNG NOW". It works off of a GPS system, and will tell you where the CNG fuel stations are in the area that you're in. I use it a lot when I'm traveling to know where I can get CNG..0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
It depends on the size of your tank and the miles per gallon your vehicle gets, in my car I have a 8 gallon tank so about 320 miles. Plus I have a 5 gallon tank that I'm going to add to it to give me more range
In my pickup I have 2-20 gallon tanks and 2-8 gallon tanks, so I can Drive about 800-1000 miles before I need to refill in it...
It all depends on the size tank that you buy, and the miles per gallon that you get in your vehicle will dictate what your range will be.
Keep in mind your fuel economy won't go down in your vehicle. Or at least it didn't in my pickup, and my car actually gets better fuel economy running CNG than a gas powered vehicle the same year make and model..
I confused. 8 gallons of compressed gas is a lot less than 8 gallons of liquid. Unless you compress it into a liquid which makes in LNG and not CNG. Are the tanks gallon equivalent? Gut tells me that to replace a 20 gallon gas tank in my LR4 with an equivalent capacity of CNG, I would need 4 - 5 times the volume.
Don, it's actually 8 gallons equivalent... And not truly an 8 gallon tank. That's how they call/ sell it and the tanks. Gallon of gass equivalent. And yes, the tanks are a lot bigger then what a regular gas tank would be. The CNG tank in my car is in the trunk from the factory, and I'm only left with about 10 to 12 inches depth left to my trunk. In my pickup, I have to 20 gallon tanks in the back stacked on top of each other that takes up about the same amount of space as a pickup bed tool box only higher, and the other tanks I put underneath my pick up.0 -
CNG has no power and no car manufacturer makes them anymore,now with a diesel blend truck it's a great way to go but finding a fill-up station for natural gas is hard to find everywhere now. Need pumping station on the farm to be able to have a good payoff.
serf
http://emsh-ngtech.com/conversion-kit-for-diesel-vehicles/0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
CNG has no power and no car manufacturer makes them anymore,now with a diesel blend truck it's a great way to go but finding a fill-up station for natural gas is hard to find everywhere now. Need pumping station on the farm to be able to have a good payoff.
serf
http://emsh-ngtech.com/conversion-kit-for-diesel-vehicles/
You don't always need more power when you're not towing something heavy, or in a car. And in a diesel vehicle you actually get more power when you run CNG diesel blend , and if you have a conversion kit that runs both gasoline and CNG, there's no problem when you do need that extra power, just flip a switch and run gasoline. And yes it does it pays off in the long run even if you don't have your own home fill station. CMG is about half the price of gasoline, and more than half the price of diesel at a CNG fill station. Depending on how many miles you drive, that adds up in hurry.
I would hate to go through life being a pessimist like you.[V]0 -
I think it is a Utah thing I know 2 people with NG converted vehicles and they both live in Utah. Damn carrot snappers anyway 0 -
What is the cost to convert? I drive about 50k Miles a year 0 -
That all depends on how you do that...
The EPA approved conversion kits are a lot more expensive. but they're the same thing as a non epa-approved Kit. The only difference is the EPA approved kits have a epa-approved tag on them. I bought my kit used for $100. But there's really nothing that can wear out on them except O-rings
But you can buy a non EPA approved kit or about 800 bucks, plus the cost of your tank. Tanks can run 2000 to $4,000 new, but you can buy them used for a lot less. I haven't paid over $100 for a tank used, and I have about 10 tanks.
Installation is really easy, but you need to have somebody that knows how to tune them to get them to work properly. To have them tune, can run about $200. And after they're tuned once, you never have to tune them again...
There are used kits for sale for a lot less than a new one goes for. I paid $100 for my kit for my pickup plus $100 for the tank. I install it myself and had my son to eat for free...0 -
I live in WY EPA can eat a ball park 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Idahobound
I live in WY EPA can eat a ball park
EPA can be a dick any place, including Utah. They will never check if you have an EPA approved system. They have bigger fish to fry than somebody running a non EPA-Approved CNG system... It's not as if they're sitting at the fuel stations checking to see if you're running an epa-approved system.
And if you're really worried about the EPA, you can buy epa-approved systems used also. One place to check would be a place here in Utah in Lindon called natural Solutions. If you're interested, I can give you the number and you can call them to see if they have aa used system they're willing to sell0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Here in the midwest, never seen a fueling station with a CNG hookup ~ or a vehicle to burn CNG either.
Used to be some farmers with pickups/tractors equipped to burn Propane but they have faded away too. The local propane supplier did the conversions & all his delivery trucks used only propane.
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I never knew we had CNG fuel stations here in Utah until I got interested in CNG
If you want to see if there are any CNG filling stations in your area, download an app from your app store called "CNG NOW". It works off of a GPS system, and will tell you where the CNG fuel stations are in the area that you're in. I use it a lot when I'm traveling to know where I can get CNG..
No good ...... don't own a $500 'smart phone' to pay $100 month for the 'service'.
I'm saving money already!!!!
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I don't have a computer or internet service either, all I have is a smartphone that I paid $75 for and I pay $55 a month including tax for unlimited talk, text and data...
But can get the information of where the filling stations are off of the internet if you want to pay the ungodly price keeping a computer and internet service
I'm saving even more money[^][^][^]
So now what?[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
My internet service is less than $55 a month.
The laptop purchased used for far less than any 'smart phone'
I've saving more.
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And how much is your phone service? You have to figure that in the equation.
Besides that if I didn't have a cell phone, I couldn't make money I make....
So I'm even saving more money and making money more money[^][^]0 -
How hard is it to set up a at home fill up? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Idahobound
How hard is it to set up a at home fill up?
Not hard, I've never done it but you only have to hook into your natural gas going to your house after your meter... Then plug it into a 110-volt Outlet0 -
Another added benefit is that you can get a sticker from your state so that you can drive in the commuter Lane by yourself. that alone saves me about 45 minutes every morning and night when I have to drive to Salt Lake in rush hour traffic... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by Idahobound
How hard is it to set up a at home fill up?
Not hard, I've never done it but you only have to hook into your natural gas going to your house after your meter... Then plug it into a 110-volt Outlet
Did a little looking last night.
One site states that the home fueling station can be had for around $4,500.00, but that it takes hours (up to 20+ depending upon the size) to fill your tank.
Seems like a long time, but I would suppose the compressors that are used have to be fairly special, and designed to 100% eliminate overheating and sparking.0 -
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by serf
CNG has no power and no car manufacturer makes them anymore,now with a diesel blend truck it's a great way to go but finding a fill-up station for natural gas is hard to find everywhere now. Need pumping station on the farm to be able to have a good payoff.
serf
http://emsh-ngtech.com/conversion-kit-for-diesel-vehicles/
You don't always need more power when you're not towing something heavy, or in a car. And in a diesel vehicle you actually get more power when you run CNG diesel blend , and if you have a conversion kit that runs both gasoline and CNG, there's no problem when you do need that extra power, just flip a switch and run gasoline. And yes it does it pays off in the long run even if you don't have your own home fill station. CMG is about half the price of gasoline, and more than half the price of diesel at a CNG fill station. Depending on how many miles you drive, that adds up in hurry.
I would hate to go through life being a pessimist like you.[V]
That a big if and you must be a driving salesman's in a car to have it pay off.I also stated it would work for diesel trucks as a mixture only when hauling. I guess you could deadhead back home on CNG if you were not in mountainous terrain.
But straight CNG vehicles on a cross country trek is not in the cards for hauling. Home base operations like farming or city driving with a mixture of diesel then yes. There are not enough refueling stations otherwise.
I am just a realist not pessimistic!The average person can't work on a modern engine today because of the EPA and computers anyway. If the EPA could overrule all the states on this concept venture it would collapse overnight with home built units.
serf
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/stations_counts.html0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by serf
CNG has no power and no car manufacturer makes them anymore,now with a diesel blend truck it's a great way to go but finding a fill-up station for natural gas is hard to find everywhere now. Need pumping station on the farm to be able to have a good payoff.
serf
http://emsh-ngtech.com/conversion-kit-for-diesel-vehicles/
You don't always need more power when you're not towing something heavy, or in a car. And in a diesel vehicle you actually get more power when you run CNG diesel blend , and if you have a conversion kit that runs both gasoline and CNG, there's no problem when you do need that extra power, just flip a switch and run gasoline. And yes it does it pays off in the long run even if you don't have your own home fill station. CMG is about half the price of gasoline, and more than half the price of diesel at a CNG fill station. Depending on how many miles you drive, that adds up in hurry.
I would hate to go through life being a pessimist like you.[V]
That a big if and you must be a driving salesman's in a car to have it pay off.I also stated it would work for diesel trucks as a mixture only when hauling. I guess you could deadhead back home on CNG if you were not in mountainous terrain.
But straight CNG vehicles on a cross country trek is not in the cards for hauling. Home base operations like farming or city driving with a mixture of diesel then yes. There are not enough refueling stations otherwise.
I am just a realist not pessimistic!The average person can't work on a modern engine today because of the EPA and computers anyway. If the EPA could overrule all the states on this concept venture it would collapse overnight with home built units.
serf
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/stations_counts.html
there are a lot of companies that use them on their semi, I guess they've been something you and your beloved internet don't...And you only lose about 8% power with CMG. So that's not having tolimp around... But if you are hauling 6000 to 10000 pounds or more, then that 8% will make a difference. That's when you switch it over to gas..
EPA will never shut it down, it's to clean burning. It actually produces less smog then any hybrid out there, depending on how your electric company produces its electricity, it's cleaner than all electric cars if you consider the smog coal produces to produce electricity.
But I concede, you win I lose.0 -
A lot of big trucks are running natural gas. 0 -
I was going to post about converting or adding a fixture for a Mk1 MOD 0 hypo douchenator (I first read about that device in 'The First Seal') but decided against it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
I was going to post about converting or adding a fixture for a Mk1 MOD 0 hypo douchenator (I first read about that device in 'The First Seal') but decided against it.
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