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kimi
Is anything being done to create a national standard for police officers in the way of tactical procedures or any broader aspects of law enforcement? This post inspired by another current GB discussion and two Seattle police officers recently fired, in part, for "no planning or tactical steps, including the use of time, distance and shielding." Se video at the following link. (Comments from everyone, especially law enforcement officers appreciated.)

https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/478141006-2-Seattle-police-officers-fired-for-shooting-at-fleeing-car/
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  • grumpygy
    Think every state would complain. Then their is those that think going National would cause a Police state.

    Me I think at least their needs to be some sort of training on Marksmanship not just a yearly training like I have heard most use. But some for of training to build muscle memory.
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    Think every state would complain. Then their is those that think going National would cause a Police state.

    Me I think at least their needs to be some sort of training on Marksmanship not just a yearly training like I have heard most use. But some for of training to build muscle memory.


    Good points, David. That said, they could at least provide guidance in assisting those states that do not have standard operating procedures. Reference the firing of the two Seattle police officers for not adhering to the use of "time, distance and shielding" in a situation that seems to fit the basis for the call to a "T". "time, distance, and shielding, is basically the same tactics the Marines used in their guard procedures way back in the early 60s.
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  • Alpine
    Since the 1970's there has been PORAC and POST standards.

    Now whether a particular police department chooses to adopt them and train to that standard is another question.
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Since the 1970's there has been PORAC and POST standards.

    Now whether a particular police department chooses to adopt them and train to that standard is another question.







    Thank you!
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  • grumpygy
    PORAC for those that do not know like me.

    https://porac.org/

    and POST

    http://www.stanard.com/public-safety/police-test/the-national-police-officer-selection-test
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    PORAC for those that do not know like me.

    https://porac.org/

    and POST

    http://www.stanard.com/public-safety/police-test/the-national-police-officer-selection-test


    Thank you, David. I had to look them up as well! [:D]
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  • SP45
    Every state has minimum standards and continuing yearly training. Even with the best training people act differently under stress. I have seen the most highly trained make very poor decisions. Peoples brains don't all act the same, you see this in simulated training. Elite military units have the ability to identify this and wash them out, police officers are different with different training, they are not supposed to be military. The vast majority of police will never fire their weapon at a person in their entire career. I always said as a police officer you can make a mistake and correct it but not with a gun.
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  • montanajoe
    • Community moderator
    Army M.P. school
    Nevada POST
    for me. but that was a long time ago.
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  • shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    PORAC for those that do not know like me.

    https://porac.org/

    and POST

    http://www.stanard.com/public-safety/police-test/the-national-police-officer-selection-test


    POST is not adopted nation wide. LE Standards are maintained at the state level, and it should remain that way IMO.
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  • Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    PORAC for those that do not know like me.

    https://porac.org/

    and POST

    http://www.stanard.com/public-safety/police-test/the-national-police-officer-selection-test



    Post is "Peace officers Standards of Training" at least in Calif. The "Police officer selection test" is just a test to measure ones aptitude to be a cop.

    I teach firearms at a local Police Academy and our instruction has to adhere strictly to POST requirements. Each state has their own version of POST, but they are all similar.
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  • rong
    How about a training class in Courtesy!
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  • Mobuck
    Local "police training" consists of 3 questions all of which must be answered in the affirmative:

    Ya'all got a gun?
    Does it work?
    Ya got bullets for it?

    You are now a POLEESE ASSIFER. Careful with that badge, Walmart was out of the metal ones.
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  • JasonV
    Maybe it is time for ISO to come to law enforcement?
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  • shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    Is anything being done to create a national standard for police officers in the way of tactical procedures or any broader aspects of law enforcement?


    There are best practices, and model policies published by national organizations such as IACP, and CALEA. Most local and state LE agencies nation wide likely subscribe to similar policy standards, especially on the high liability areas such as use of force, training and emergency vehicle operations. Federal agencies, specifically the FBI have had significant impact on influencing those best practices especially with the establishment of use of force continuum. Most if not all of the State Agencies that regulate training and training standards are highly influences by these national organizations.
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