Fighting chickens....who has seen this?
I don't know anything about this, but I've seen the little teepee looking things all lined up in a field and I am guessing that is where someone is raising fighting roosters since they have to be kept apart. I've seen the little barb thing they strap to their feet in feed stores several years ago too....that seemed odd to me and kind of like a cheat for the chicken that had this weapon strapped to them. I have no clue if that is a standard thing that is used though.
I couldn't hate a person that fights dogs any more than I do if I tried....but chickens don't get that same "rile" out of me when I hear chicken fight. I don't know why???
Is this even legal??? I have no clue?
I couldn't hate a person that fights dogs any more than I do if I tried....but chickens don't get that same "rile" out of me when I hear chicken fight. I don't know why???
Is this even legal??? I have no clue?
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I don't agree with either, dog or chicken fights. But I love to watch cat fights[:D][:D][:D]
But seriously, depending on what state you're in, cock fighting is illegal.. here in Utah where I live cock fighting is a Class A misdemeanor if Spurs are not used, and a felony if they are. That will get you up to 6 months in jail if it's a misdemeanor and up to five years if it's a felony. And from what I understand, the judge almost always will impulse the maximum penalty... Here in Utah we don't take kindly to people who abuse animals0 -
I don't know why my sympathy is missing with the chicken thing.
I guess its like Beta fish that you can't put in a bowl with any other fish because they will fight with them. I don't really feel like the fish are worth worrying over much since they are so mean. I guess chickens that have to be kept alone get the same reasoning from me.0 -
Iquote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
I don't know why my sympathy is missing with the chicken thing.
I guess its like Beta fish that you can't put in a bowl with any other fish because they will fight with them. I don't really feel like the fish are worth worrying over much since they are so mean. I guess chickens that have to be kept alone get the same reasoning from me.
Roosters only fight to establish Roost dominance and to protest the roost. It's not that they're mean, it's just that it's the way that Mother Nature Insure survival of the fittest...
To proactively train them fight is cruelty to animals in my opinion.0 -
Cock fighting is illegal everywhere I know, and it still goes on. Popular in Hawai'i and Puerto Rico, as well as the Southern states.
There have been several arrests here in VA, including this one recently- http://www.nbc12.com/story/38154062/2-plead-guilty-to-cockfighting-300-birds-seized-in-powhatan
When I was a kid, a neighbor raised "fighting chickens". One of his birds roamed over to our place, and spurred my 5 year old sister who was playing in the yard. Just Mom and us kids at home, Dad was at work.
After cleaning up my baby sister, bandaging her cuts, rooster was still in the yard. Mom took Dad's H&R .22 revolver, one shot, about 50 ft, headless chicken.
(Note to self- do NOT get Mom mad!)0 -
seen hundreds of them in asia. even owned a part interest in a couple. only thing i can tell you is to never bet on a green legged chicken. 0 -
I think Louisiana was the last state to outlaw it. It's only done by trashy subhumans.
If you want to see a blood sport, I recommend Thunderdome.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I think Louisiana was the last state to outlaw it. It's only done by trashy subhumans.
If you want to see a blood sport, I recommend Thunderdome.
You do realize that that Mad Max was a fictitious movie... Don't you?[:D]
That's not real blood, it's boysenberry syrup0 -
I figured it was illegal. I don't know how they have them....because I've seen what I thought were fighting birds lined up in a field 0 -
Those are purebred show chickens, if you don't believe me.... stop and ask the breeder. [;)]
It's not illegal to raise them, just to fight em!
(or sell too many to someone who might take them offshore)0 -
You mean to tell me......there is such a thing as SHOW CHICKENS and I don't have this in my life!!!!! I am obviously not living the true life I was meant to. 0 -
Cock fighting has mostly gone by the wayside, kind of like our ability today to understand what it was like to live a hundred to two hundred years back, for example. It's good to remember the old saying about walking a mile in another man's shoes at times like this. 0 -
LF, the barb you mention were referred top as gaffs...or razor gaffs, as I recall my father telling me a long time ago.
My father raised and fought gamecocks as a young married man. People did things like that when they picked cotton from sunup to sundown for fifty cents a day...or road the rails across America and back looking for a job and better life for the family.0 -
When I was stationed in LA I saw them all over in the country.
I don't think its illegal to raise them just fight them for sport.0 -
LOL go to a big BBQ in the swamp,,your eating that mornings loosers 0 -
They could also be raising roosters for the long cape feathers that are used in fly tying. A top quality cape (the back of the neck and down onto the back) can sell for a couple of hundred dollars.
You have to keep the roosters apart, because fighting would damage the feathers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
When I was stationed in LA I saw them all over in the country.
I don't think its illegal to raise them just fight them for sport.
Yes, illegal for sure, Sam. Once when I was with my father during the summer we were entering Jena, LA, and my father got to thinking of a couple of great uncles that lived just north of there in Olla. He never knew these men as they were long gone, but the family had probably passed the story down to him when but a young man. Anyway, one of the uncles raised, sold, and fought gamecocks, and out of the different kinds he fought was one known as a Warhorse...a large dark colored rooster as I recall. Dad was truly impressed with this type of rooster and the tales he had heard about it. My father's favorite all time game cock was a mid-size one from a line known as the Carolina Blue. His Carolina Blue had never lost a fight, and one day, someone came to their house and stole it.
Sam, I'm pretty sure that you are right about raising them, too...as being legal, as it was in Texas back in the 1970s. My Dad, in his old age raised gamecocks around my sister's place in Silsbee, Texas. He made some fairly good pocket money selling cocks, hens, and/or their eggs. This particular bloodline was known as: Hatch. He was extremely high on them.
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Gamefowls Breeding / Sabong-Cockfighting
September 5, 2012 ?
History of the famous Mclean Hatch-as told by Harry Parr in 1977
Interest in the breeding of game fowl strains has always run high even though the knowledge thereof seldom has any practical application. I have been asked many times to set forth the breeding of the McLean Hatch and their offshoot, the Blue Face family. This I have done briefly in letters and countless times orally. It is amazing how twisted these accounts become. So, since this subject appears still to hold the interest of many, I have decided to write down the facts for one and all.
Although Ted McLean has been out of the ?chicken business? since December of 1954 at which time he gave me all his fowl, he is still very much with us. I mention this only because I have seen too many ?histories? come out when it is too late for the facts to be verified by the principles involved. Further, the following is being written with my notes and breeding records before me and this paper will be limited to first hand information. Finally, lest anyone think there is an ulterior motive involved, my chickens are my hobby. I keep only enough for my purposes and have never, nor do I ever contemplate selling them.
In the early thirties, Mr. E.S. Hatch and Mr. E.T. Mclean were on the floor of the stock exchange. That Mr. Hatch gave Ted Mclean fowl is the testimony enough of their friendship, as it is well known that Mr. Hatch did not let many go. At the time, Mr. Hatch?s fowl consisted of four basic bloodlines. These were the Kearney fowl made up of the two strains Mike Kearny brought from Ireland, namely (1) the ?beasy? Breasted Light Reds (Whitehackles) and (2) the Brown Breasted Reds, plus (3) the Herman Duryea fowl (commonly called Boston Roundheads) which he added when he worked for Mr. Duryea. With these bloodlines Mr. Hatch incorporated (4) the green leg Thomson (Jim Thomson) fowl. I might say here that from then till now, the strain made up of these four bloodlines is what Ted and I call the ?straight stuff?.
In those days virtually all the fighting in the North East was done in inch and a quarter, heavy, slow heels, which is not surprising considering the cockers prime requisite, was gameness. It followed the toughness and power was high priorities and the Hatch fowl had all these in abundance. While they surely did not compile a great winning record, they were admired by name for these attributes. Fortunately, Ted Mclean kept this set of priorities or the ?straight stuff? would have long since gone by the boards. For in addition to these attributes, the Mclean Hatch are poor cutters, low headed dumb fighters, that usually take two or three shots before unleashing one of their patented hay makers. Obviously as the heels got faster their ability to win lessened, so they are useless now if fought pure. Their value then, is only as an ingredient to produce battle cocks.
Ted Mclean bought ?Gamecock Farm? in Maryland and built one of the best all around chicken plants I have ever seen. He gave me a trio of his Hatch fowl in 1948 and shortly thereafter I bought a farm within a short distance from his. I suppose I was at Gamecock Farm a couple of times a week and everyday during fighting season, because we fought a heavy schedule and chickens were almost always in the cock house for conditioning. At least one experimental cross was tried each year and many produced superior battle cocks, but as soon as one quit, all chickens containing that blood, came under the axe. I saw an awful lot of chickens killed and when he retired from the game in 1954 and only the ?straight stuff? remained. All of these fowl were given to me.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Sam06
When I was stationed in LA I saw them all over in the country.
I don't think its illegal to raise them just fight them for sport.
Yes, illegal for sure, Sam. Once when I was with my father during the summer we were entering Jena, LA, and my father got to thinking of a couple of great uncles that lived just north of there in Olla. He never knew these men as they were long gone, but the family had probably passed the story down to him when but a young man. Anyway, one of the uncles raised, sold, and fought gamecocks, and out of the different kinds he fought was one known as a Warhorse...a large dark colored rooster as I recall. Dad was truly impressed with this type of rooster and the tales he had heard about it. My father's favorite all time game cock was a mid-size one from a line known as the Carolina Blue. His Carolina Blue had never lost a fight, and one day, someone came to their house and stole it.
I hate to say this but I went to a cock fight in Flatwoods LA just outside Alexandria by Peason ridge WMA..
I was with some coonass buddies hunting and we were a little drunk.
Not my cup of tea. But I really don't have a problem with it like I do Dog Fighting.0 -
I know some of them are raised and sold down Mexico way. They love cock fighting in Mexico.
Mexicans and Spanish are some bloody minded folks in my opinion but no one takes the cake of an African, as far as cruel to animals. I have seen them beat a Donkey senseless in the middle of the street.
The way they use up animals is a damn shame and it really bothers me when I go there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
When I was stationed in LA I saw them all over in the country.
I don't think its illegal to raise them just fight them for sport.
Yes, illegal for sure, Sam. Once when I was with my father during the summer we were entering Jena, LA, and my father got to thinking of a couple of great uncles that lived just north of there in Olla. He never knew these men as they were long gone, but the family had probably passed the story down to him when but a young man. Anyway, one of the uncles raised, sold, and fought gamecocks, and out of the different kinds he fought was one known as a Warhorse...a large dark colored rooster as I recall. Dad was truly impressed with this type of rooster and the tales he had heard about it. My father's favorite all time game cock was a mid-size one from a line known as the Carolina Blue. His Carolina Blue had never lost a fight, and one day, someone came to their house and stole it.
I hate to say this but I went to a cock fight in Flatwoods LA just outside Alexandria by Peason ridge WMA..
I was with some coonass buddies hunting and we were a little drunk.
Not my cup of tea. But I really don't have a problem with it like I do Dog Fighting.
No problem. I understand why people feel the way they do about it. Same on the dog fighting here, too.0 -
As a deep Southern farm boy we raised & fought chickens, sold a bunch too to some well to do city people to fight. When in Vietnam cock fight was a #1 sport which I participated in every chance I got [:D], I almost got shot by what looked to be a home-made pistol with a LARGE barrel at one fight when they discovered what I was doing to keep my Rooster going and winning money [:0], they didn't know about this particular trick until I got caught (I caved under pressure [:(]), so I take credit teaching them something new [^] 0 -
What it boils down to is gambling, the roosters are just the means to the end 0 -
About every six months in early fifties a fella would drive down dirt road to grandpa's house with a bunch of gamecocks. I always wondered what was going on but in those days kids were supposed to be seen and not heard in Louisa County, Va.
Grandpa keep the roosters until their spurs were about three inches long and the man would pick them up and pass the green stuff on to grandpa. He always kept the roosters in separate pens with real high chicken wire so they would not kill each other.
Grandpa was a sawmill worker and times were tough then with seven kids. Every little bit of income helped. When he died his obit said he was one of the hardest working most respected men in Louisa County, Va. His children never went hungry.0 -
I?ve been to a cockfight in New Iberia(South La). Some guys I worked with at the time raised birds. There were gaff(1/8? sharpened spike a couple inches long), short knife (scythe shaped blade about 1 1/2?), and long knife (scythe shaped blade probably 2 1/2?) fights. The long knife were almost instantaneously over, others could last a few rounds. It?s quite brutal and the handlers in the pit are quit gnarly. As said it?s all about the gambling. Certainly not my thing but don?t regret going. 0 -
I went to a cock fight once while stationed in Puerto Rico. Got all the exposure I needed with one trip. Even with a belly full of Cuba Libre's it wasn't any fun. 0 -
About 14 years ago I was in the Napa Valley visiting some friends. They told me about a place near their home where people had cock fighting matches. There was a huge grove of eucalyptus trees around 20 acres. He said we will take you to see it and we will take our 63 Pontiac station wagon because the people there are leary of people driving newer cars and trucks. When we got there their was many little home made houses where the chicken fighters lived. Each house had a pit /cage where they held their matches and a area for BBQing and drinking. They took me to meet one family they knew that had the largest amount of fighting cocks. They took me around and showed me how they raised the fighters and trained them. They said after each day of fighting they would BBQ the losers and have a big party with drinking and other stuff. Very few white people lived there. Mostly brown, black and yellow people. The area had all the trees cut down a few years ago and now has big warehouses on the former site. All the years I liver around there, I never knew that place was there.
Jose.0 -
Cock fighting is pretty widespread in eastern NC among the Hispanics Lots of folks raise show roosters in the more rural parts of the state . Never cared for it myself figure it is lik dog fighting just ain?t right 0 -
Guy that lives next to us raises those show chickens
and ships them all over. says he gets good money for them and has some come from mexico to buy a lot of time. [B)]0 -
This subject has been on my mind since Kasey posted it since it helped me to realize that my father most likely had a great deal of knowledge about game chickens. For example, maybe five, ten, fifteen years back, I made note on this forum about certain game chicken bloodlines that I had never heard anyone talk about. In fact, I had never come across anyone discussing the Warhorse or the Carolina Blue, ever, until the other night I pulled up an online site and found a great deal about this subject and then some!
Check the top link out for 'strains' and the bottom one out for pictures. The McLean Hatch, among others are pictured. In the top link, the Warhorse and a reference to the Carolina Blue can be found. The Carolina Blue my father owned back in East Texas had never lost a fight, but was stolen from his coop at his house:
Gamecock Strains
https://gulod.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/gamecock-strains/
Bloodlines of the Champion
https://gulod.wordpress.com/bloodlines/0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
I don't know why my sympathy is missing with the chicken thing.
I guess its like Beta fish that you can't put in a bowl with any other fish because they will fight with them. I don't really feel like the fish are worth worrying over much since they are so mean. I guess chickens that have to be kept alone get the same reasoning from me.
Betta fish can be in a tank with other fish- I have 4 tanks, and 3 of them have bettas as part of the fish community. However, you cannot put 2 bettas in the same tank, as that is when the fins fly.
We have a few (6-8 layers) chickens, and the one stupid rooster that we have won't die, even though the 3 hens we got at the same time have long since gone to the coop in the sky due to natural causes. A couple of years ago we bought 4 chicks and one ended up being a rooster. He was pretty well chased all over and bullied by the first one, so we ended up getting rid of the second one. For the record, my vote didn't count as to which of the two was to go.0
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