Fired for stopping gun thief
Another corporation that "has a policy" so they don't have to think about the people and the situation. They would rather follow the policy than prevent a gun theft. [:(!]
quote:"My employee yelled, 'Stop that man!"' Dean Crouch said of the June 29 incident. "I turned and looked and saw Mr. White running from the gun bar toward the front of the store with a firearm in his hand. At the front door is where I stopped him. I tackled him to the ground. We apprehended him and detained him. We secured the firearm."
Crouch says he was suspended for a week and then fired via conference call. He has e-mailed the company asking them to reconsider.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sporting-goods-store-chain-fires-manager-nra-calls-hero/ar-AAzXZ35?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Want to help with the bills he'll face?
https://www.gofundme.com/fired-for-stopping-gun-theft
quote:"My employee yelled, 'Stop that man!"' Dean Crouch said of the June 29 incident. "I turned and looked and saw Mr. White running from the gun bar toward the front of the store with a firearm in his hand. At the front door is where I stopped him. I tackled him to the ground. We apprehended him and detained him. We secured the firearm."
Crouch says he was suspended for a week and then fired via conference call. He has e-mailed the company asking them to reconsider.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sporting-goods-store-chain-fires-manager-nra-calls-hero/ar-AAzXZ35?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Want to help with the bills he'll face?
https://www.gofundme.com/fired-for-stopping-gun-theft
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time to kiss academy sports GOODBYE....employee probably saved others from robbery, injury, or death by tackling this bozo ...so they fired him....why doesn't this company issue a proclamation to "COME ON IN and take what u want"...we'll just watch. they go on my list along with "dicks" 0 -
hmmm, looks like to me that he saved the store the liability if the thief would have gotten out. Already had some other items in his pack. Yea, right is wrong and wrong is right according to the liberals- 0 -
I wonder what would Academy do if a customer stopped the bad guy? 0 -
While I hate thieves and love to see them taken down, I have to look at this from the stores point of view as well.
They take the approach of do not engage the suspected thief as the liability that could ensue should the suspect be harmed or killed by an employee would fall squarely on the shoulders of the company as a first defendant and then the employee could also be sued civilly for injuries or death.
As to the store being held liable for misuse of a stolen weapon, that would not likely happen. The firearm was secured with a trigger lock (yes it can be removed) and the firearm was stolen not sold to a prohibited person.
The way things are going, you may not be able to handle a firearm in a store unless it is chained to the wall just to prevent these types of incidents.0 -
Don't have an Academy near me but what a bunch of pussies they should not fire him. 0 -
Liability...many national retail chains have specific, and explicit rules prohibiting physically detaining shoplifters. I suspect they do aswell. Like it or hate it, it's a private company, you want to work there you have to follow their rules. Looks like the PR is gonna hurt for them.
Back in 1995 out of college, working toward getting into LE I worked as a Loss Prevention Associate at a large, national retail chain in a large Mall. When i first started there it was like the wild west. We'd get in foot chases, tackle folks in the parking lot, fight them and hand cuff them and drag their ass back to the store. Then wait on the cops. Then a LP officer somewhere else got stabbed to death confronting a shoplifter outside the store. After that it was hands off, if they wouldn't voluntarily comeback in then we couldn't detain them. If we put our hands on them we'd be fired. We'd just have to be good witnesses and try to get a tag number. They didn't even want us leaving the store, if they made it out the doors they were home free other than what we could get on camera. Its all about liability, not just for the offender but for the workman's comp etc.0 -
Nothing in that store is worth dieing over. I think they are wrong for firing him. 0 -
i think these policies create more thieves because they know they got a 90% chance of getting freebies...our littletown of 1100 ? has a dollar general ...last year was a walk out loss of $21300.00..that is a lot of dollar items..and fired two employees for theft..and one stupid gal said "i didn't think the camera worked" ...to stupid to look at the monitor in the office...imagine this is a terrific problem for little towns... 0 -
IMO those policies just promotes theft, but what do I know?. 0 -
But could the management be charged with failing to complete a background check on the thief?[:D]
That might encourage them to make a new "policy" regarding firearms!0 -
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
why doesn't this company issue a proclamation to "COME ON IN and take what u want"...we'll just watch.
With the actions the company took that's exactly what they just did yet they're too stupid to realize it [B)]0 -
many years back a wally world employee I knew was told do not stop any one that is theft prevention offices job if you see some one report to him / or her . but for the most part it was do not confront
and let them walk
flip side I met a fellow who would take orders 1/2 the store price
any thing he could carry or roll out of a store was fair game0 -
A friend is a theft prevention officer at Wallyworld. A couple of years ago he called the police to arrest a shoplifter. When the perp started fighting the policeman, and getting the upper hand, he asked my friend for some help. My friend helped get the guy handcuffed and in the police car. Next day my friend was fired for assisting the cops! After repeated calls and messages to Walmart corporate offices from the Chief of Police, County Sheriff, District Atty, and Circuit Judge, he was reinstated. The Sheriff even told them his Deputies would not arrest shoplifters at Walmart, and would only respond to real emergencies if one of their employees couldn't step in to save someone from bodily harm. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
IMO those policies just promotes theft, but what do I know?.
Perhaps, but the shrinkage is anticipated and built into the price. Somewhere along the line the bean counters have calculated that it is more cost effective to let the product go. Employee safety as well is a legitimate consideration. As a business owner, if you create an environment where there is an expectation for employees to physically intervene to apprehend thieves, then you create the conditions to be liable when those employees are injured or when the thieves are injured. Those are legitimate concerns and could lead to huge losses. Employment is a contract between business owner and employee, so long as the rules are clearly published the employee either abides by those rules or they should find another place to work.0 -
The employee has been reinstated. https://wtop.com/consumer-news/2018/07/manager-fired-for-stopping-gun-theft-gets-job-back/ 0 -
You all do know these policies are dictated to the companies by their insurance companies.... correct??? This is basic liability & risk management. Better to lose the store item, then to pay a family for the death of their loved one. I don?t like it either, but it is purely a business decision. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
IMO those policies just promotes theft, but what do I know?.
Perhaps, but the shrinkage is anticipated and built into the price. Somewhere along the line the bean counters have calculated that it is more cost effective to let the product go. Employee safety as well is a legitimate consideration. As a business owner, if you create an environment where there is an expectation for employees to physically intervene to apprehend thieves, then you create the conditions to be liable when those employees are injured or when the thieves are injured. Those are legitimate concerns and could lead to huge losses. Employment is a contract between business owner and employee, so long as the rules are clearly published the employee either abides by those rules or they should find another place to work.
Very valid points and I see where you are at. I kind of wish people wouldn't want to steal, loot, rob, murder, rape ect but that utopia world is a fantasy.
There is more acceptable crime in the USA now than when I was a kid. It keeps spiraling down imo in the USA and probably won't stop in my term.
Heck in my town as a kid nobody locked their car doors and everyone left their keys in the car. Not anymore, now if they take your car and YOU left the keys in them, you are liable I think. Crazy how it turns.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
IMO those policies just promotes theft, but what do I know?.
Perhaps, but the shrinkage is anticipated and built into the price. Somewhere along the line the bean counters have calculated that it is more cost effective to let the product go. Employee safety as well is a legitimate consideration. As a business owner, if you create an environment where there is an expectation for employees to physically intervene to apprehend thieves, then you create the conditions to be liable when those employees are injured or when the thieves are injured. Those are legitimate concerns and could lead to huge losses. Employment is a contract between business owner and employee, so long as the rules are clearly published the employee either abides by those rules or they should find another place to work.
Very valid points and I see where you are at. I kind of wish people wouldn't want to steal, loot, rob, murder, rape ect but that utopia world is a fantasy.
There is more acceptable crime in the USA now than when I was a kid. It keeps spiraling down imo in the USA and probably won't stop in my term.
Heck in my town as a kid nobody locked their car doors and everyone left their keys in the car. Not anymore, now if they take your car and YOU left the keys in them, you are liable I think. Crazy how it turns.
I'm not sure why you think these are considered acceptable crimes? If someone shoplifts, and they are apprehended by the police they are often prosecuted. It is up to the property owner to decide whether to prosecute. If the cost of apprehending the offender, and following through with prosecution is higher than the loss of the product then the business takes that into consideration. I also do not think it is unreasonable for an auto insurance company to expect their customers to reasonably secure their property. Why should an insurance company take the loss on a stolen vehicle if their customer is negligent in leaving the keys in the ignition? We are all well aware that society has changed, so it is not reasonable for someone to leave their keys in the car, unattended.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
IMO those policies just promotes theft, but what do I know?.
Perhaps, but the shrinkage is anticipated and built into the price. Somewhere along the line the bean counters have calculated that it is more cost effective to let the product go. Employee safety as well is a legitimate consideration. As a business owner, if you create an environment where there is an expectation for employees to physically intervene to apprehend thieves, then you create the conditions to be liable when those employees are injured or when the thieves are injured. Those are legitimate concerns and could lead to huge losses. Employment is a contract between business owner and employee, so long as the rules are clearly published the employee either abides by those rules or they should find another place to work.
Very valid points and I see where you are at. I kind of wish people wouldn't want to steal, loot, rob, murder, rape ect but that utopia world is a fantasy.
There is more acceptable crime in the USA now than when I was a kid. It keeps spiraling down imo in the USA and probably won't stop in my term.
Heck in my town as a kid nobody locked their car doors and everyone left their keys in the car. Not anymore, now if they take your car and YOU left the keys in them, you are liable I think. Crazy how it turns.
I'm not sure why you think these are considered acceptable crimes? If someone shoplifts, and they are apprehended by the police they are often prosecuted. It is up to the property owner to decide whether to prosecute. If the cost of apprehending the offender, and following through with prosecution is higher than the loss of the product then the business takes that into consideration. I also do not think it is unreasonable for an auto insurance company to expect their customers to reasonably secure their property. Why should an insurance company take the loss on a stolen vehicle if their customer is negligent in leaving the keys in the ignition? We are all well aware that society has changed, so it is not reasonable for someone to leave their keys in the car, unattended.
I was saying that when I was younger and I don't ever recall anyones car being stolen. Today, yea, I don't leave them in. And imo, a lot of "crimes" are dropped because of backlogged courts and as you said, "cost effective," so I might be correct in saying crime is being tolerated more today than when I was a sprout. Yes, I know you are an officer, but I believe I am correct.0 -
Large retailers have to look at the bottom line. It costs them wages to send employees to court to testify in shoplifting cases. For a felony shoplifting that could turn into hours of lost productivity and multiple court dates. So unfortunately that is a calculation that they have to consider. That is a choice the business owner makes, not society. 0 -
I think you just made my point. And will not go any further on the subject. I respect your opinion. 0 -
Maybe if it was legal to take a hammer and smash one fingernail for each $100 of value stolen, it would slow shoplifting way down![}:)] 0 -
Glad he got his job back. They did the right thing. 0
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